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  • Royal Conquest

    Sorry but I totally disagree I hate Baby his whole arc was soooo dumb and shoehorned in and none of it makes any god damn sense.

  • Egg_Runner

    baby was the only thing they could salvage from the burning wreck that is GT

  • Chris Lussier

    What are you guys going to do with Popo when Beerus is introduced? Will Beerus be feared by the dark one or will the two be of equal respect for each other?

    • Dave Hughes

      If I recall correctly, Popo has gone on record saying he doesn’t torture cats.

  • Michel van der Linden

    the big problem baby has is his name. Really, what the fuck? You can’t say “COME AT ME BABY” and expect it to sound cool. Or “IM GOING TO KILL YOU BABY”, it makes you sound like a bad 80’s action hero.

  • Peter W Dawson

    I always love the double standard that I (and probably others) have where we crap on names like ‘Baby’ for villains but then it’s like, ‘Garlic Jr’? Now THERE’S a villain…

    • DreadKaiser

      you ARE aware that there is a giant naming pattern to everyone right?
      Saiyans were Vegetables
      Bulma’s family was Underwear
      Namekian’s were snails and slugs
      Garlic Jr and co were Spices
      The Gods are Alcohol

      etc

      Baby…..didn’t. it was a bad name and nothing more. made for some cringeworthy dialogue
      prior to Garlic Jr the biggest, baddest villain was named PICCOLO and had minions named Drum and Tambourine, Garlic doesn’t sound bad now does it?

      • Peter W Dawson

        Yeah, the naming pattern doesn’t make it better. A lot of Dragon Ball’s names are dumb, I’m calling out the hypocrisy of myself and others for somehow Baby being worse than many others just because it doesn’t follow the convention. We were afraid of colors, instruments, vegetables, fruits, spices, appliances, numbers, and ghost sounds… But ‘Baby’ is too much?

      • DreadKaiser

        …….
        ok I’ll keep this simple.

        Other odd names have been around from the start. names like Garlic Jr and Piccolo are Standard for Dragonball. Baby is ridiculous, even by Dragonball standards.

        Baby is a bad name. its above and beyond the silliness set by other names, Appearing further out of place for a major antagonist.
        its like getting to the last boss, finding a horrific abomination and then you look at the HP Bar and find his name is Darth Fluffykins. I can’t speak for other people obviously, but for me that kind of contrast HURTS. every time that name comes up it just makes me cringe and think “Gather the Dragonballs, wish a better name up”

        Just because you find “A Lot” of the names stupid doesn’t mean everyone does. Garlic Jr and Piccolo are the norm for this series. Baby is out of it.

        Its not hypocrisy to find 1 name too silly, in a series full of silly names.

        in other words, Yes. “Baby” was too much for most people.

        of course this is all completely subjective, but appears to be the common opinion

      • Peter W Dawson

        Compared to the name ‘Buu’? I mean don’t get me wrong, you throw in a ‘Majin’ his does sound more intimidating, but just ‘Buu’, which is frequently pronounced very closely to ‘boo’, a primal sound we use to scare children, and I don’t see it being different than Baby. I mean, sure, a villain named named Fluffykins is dumb, but if you’e already had villains named Carrots, Dime, Harpo and Socks it’s perhaps a bit hypocritical to single that one out, even if Carrots, Dime Harpo and Socks were so named because they had associates named Celery, Nickel, Chico and Boots.

      • DreadKaiser

        actually Buu was more theme naming
        Bibidi
        Babadi
        Buu

        if you don’t get it, then lucky you, you weren’t forced to watch too many Disney movies as a kid

        and no, even long before I realized that, I had no issue with “Buu/Boo”
        and again, its not hypocrisy to find 1 thing dumber than others.
        That’s like saying that since I like spicy things I’m not allowed to find Chili peppers too spicy.

        please learn what Hypocrisy means before you throw it around

        its not just the name, its also what it’s attached to
        A giant Rabbit named Carrot, is not out of place
        a Giant manchild named something simple like Buu is fitting
        an eldritch abomination turned body snatcher named Baby is NOT fitting.

        fuck, “Baby” is not a fitting name for nearly ANYTHING, much less a Villain in a serious action show like GT

        and again, this is subjective. that is to say what people think of a name is an opinion
        “Baby is a horrible name” seems to be the most common opinion on the matter.

      • Peter W Dawson

        There’s absolutely hypocrisy. “Oh, a silly sounding name is fine as long as there’s a gimmick behind it.” That doesn’t change the fundemental fact that it’s still a silly name, it’s just THAT silly name that’s objectionable. It’s about as symbolic as Baby being the ultimate child of a race to Cell being a being composed of assembled cells. Problem is this time we found the simplistic name that does sum him up quite stupid, probably because we often use it as an insult when not using it as a statement of fact. Probably just needed to workshop it a bit more, like if before someone used ‘Star Child’ for something they were considering ‘Space Fetus’ or whatever.

      • DreadKaiser

        well someone clearly haven’t read what I wrote then. I’m not going to bother reading past that second sentence, so I hope you didn’t put an actually well thought out argument there.

        silly sounding names are ok, this one is too silly
        Spicy things are ok, Ghost Pepper is too spicy
        Violent video games are ok, GTA is too Violent
        Going 5 miles over the speed limit is ok, going 200 is not.
        I like Dragonball Z, I don’t Like GT and think Dragonball and Super are ok.

        I hope I can stop with that.

        None of that is Hypocrisy. I won’t even try using reasoning with you beyond this point, since it seems to go over your head. The name is bad because people don’t like it, Other names are not bad because people don’t mind it. Its. That. Simple.
        You are saying you have to like all if you like one

        Liking one thing, and not liking something that shares a few traits with it is NOT hypocrisy

      • Peter W Dawson

        The someone being yourself since you’re repeating yourself and not changing the argument? You’re missing my point that Baby is objectively as silly as Piccolo or Garlic. Heck, Piccolo and Garlic it’s hard to say immediately if there was symoblism there with the names beyond just picking a specific category of things to name them after. Baby’s one guy and named after the idea of him being an infantile artificial being, a being that can grow inside of others. Even with that symbolism behind it it’s still a stupid-sounding name, it just didn’t cross that invisible threshold we just all seem to subjectively have without a clear definition for why it’s okay. The rationalization of theme naming really shouldn’t cut it. There’s no defined scale, unlike with the examples you mentioned where there’s clearly a scale at work: there’s many factors going into what makes food spicy, how spicy it is and the flavor regarding it; violence itself is a broad topic and the question of how it informs the game; going faster than another speed can be objectively more dangerous based on where you’re located; shows are determined by various qualities including writing, animation, characters and theme.

        There’s no real scale for silly names, it’s just ‘is there a theme’ or not. That seems to be about it, and even then the theme doesn’t really make it better.

      • DreadKaiser

        go back and try reading for a change, maybe you will actually understood whats actually being said this time around

        there is a scale for silly names, its the viewers tolerance for it. AKA, an opinion. this entire time, what you’ve been saying everyone is a hypocrite for having an opinion on Baby’s name.
        I can’t dumb it down for you any further then that

        and don’t bother replying, I’m done wasting time with you, it stopped being entertaining a while ago

      • Peter W Dawson

        Right, and I’m saying it is hypocritical because the scale is just ‘that’s stupid.’ There’s no objective reason why the name is dumber, and it’s in fact from a logical standpoint more solid than some of the others in terms of symbolism. None the less it is considered a crap name by many (myself included), and I’m commenting on the somewhat hypocritical nature of it. By trying to make things ‘simple’ you’re missing the entire point of the problem.

      • Asshole Spiderman

        Dude. I don’t think you know what an Opinion is. it’s kinda impossible by definition for an opinion to be objective.

        I hated Baby the moment I heard it, that’s all I needed. Fuck Symbolism to the sun and back the name just sounds horrible.

      • Peter W Dawson

        Opinions can be objective, but they don’t have to be, which is the point: there’s no solid tangible reason to hate the name Baby above any other name, a lot of us just do because we instrictively hate it, symbolism be darned. Like you said, you hated the moment you heard it, ditto me. Yet in any other circumstance we’d probably find names like Garlic, Buu, and more stupid as well, which is what rings a bit hypocritical to me. Not that there’s anything wrong with that ultimately, it’s just how we are.

      • Asshole Spiderman

        Not really
        Opinions are subjective, by definition. I don’t need logical reason to not like a name.

        I also did not hate Buu, Garlic or any other name in this series

        in a vacuum, yeah they’d all sound stupid. but this isn’t a vacuum, its Dragonball. and only one of them sounds stupid in that context

      • Dread Kaiser

        prettttty sure your wasting your time here

        if he hasn’t understood it at this point is isn’t going to

      • Peter W Dawson

        You mean you haven’t understood? I mean, we’re talking about tangibility, and the lack of it making it hard to offer an objective reason why the name sucks. I mean, many, many agree it sucks, and it does, but why? I’m trying to look at that part of subjective opinion that’s really hard to measure, scale, etc, especially with a bunch of other names we’ve let slide over the years.

      • Peter W Dawson

        “a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.”

        They CAN be subjective, they don’t need to be. And my point remains that Baby being a stupid name is purely subjective. That’s not a bad thing, that’s why opinions aren’t based always on fact or knowledge and one of the many things that make us unpredictable people. Anyhow, my larger point remains that there’s still no tangible reason why Garlic, Piccolo, Buu and more work, context or not.

      • Asshole Spiderman

        Holy shit Dread is posting again

      • Dread Kaiser

        ya, after YGOrg stopped with Disqus no other site I frequent had it so my posts stopped.

        Better question why the hell didn’t you start posting before I was blocked. the shit you pulled was hilarious

        and why didn’t you go join the forums?

      • Asshole Spiderman

        Don’t remember

        and I don’t like dealing with Forums, so I didn’t join. do lurk on occasion

  • TheAKZBoy

    For the life of me i just can’t bring me myself to hate GT, I liked that series just too much.

    • TheAKZBoy

      I mean I just love nuova shenron.

  • Blue

    Hmmm, the evil dragons and baby are the only 2 villains I remember from GT, soooo I guess that’s the last of GT hooray! unless I’m repressing something but that is highly unlikely. also Kaiser, Lani I caught your cameos over in the latest RWBY episode, what was it like working with roosterteeth?

    • DreadKaiser

      you forgot Super 17

      Who already failed to make the list

    • Inuzuna

      the ParaPara brothers
      Dr. Myuu
      General Rildo
      Super 17
      the guy who turned people into dolls to awaken that robot they thought was a god
      said robot that gained power from people absorbed into it my having them turned into dolls

      and then yea the shadow dragons and Baby, not too many villains with most of them only being around for 2-4 episodes

      • Blue

        . . . I literally had to look up most of those characters on the db wiki, and all I can say is how? how GT? how are you even worse than I remember?

      • Inuzuna

        I mean GT was the best but it wasn’t the worst. most people hate it so much but me I give it a 5/10. sure it had poor execution but it had some nice concepts and expanded the world while also doing a few throwbacks to Dragon Ball. plus I mean a villain who steals peoples bodies, and monsters created from the good deeds performed by our heroes? if only they had worked better

        also something that probably wasn’t on purpose that I really like was how Baby complained about the Saiyans being barbaric and power hungry with no regard for anyone else and thats exactly how he was before he died, even having killed the brainwashed humans on purpose to test out his new ape forms power

  • Flowey

    Ok I would love to watch this but the GOD DAMN ADVERTISEMENTS ON THE SITE PAGE JUST KEEP FUCKING BLARING

  • AsurasPath22

    This guy was probably better than every villain in Super. His motivations were clear, his background was clear and hell he was calm throughout the story.

  • WanderingGhost

    I would have put him lower on the list cause honestly, I forgot he existed. One of the few things I do remember about GT was Super Saiyan 4, which I thought was a cool design, better than blupersaiyan and saiyan god in that it was different and all. And Vegeta’s mustache, and Trunk’s Sister. And I’m with Kaiser, my hate of GT is Multiverse spanning. But there is one more thing that I hate well more than even GT.

    Evolution.

  • Gojira007

    It’s a shame that Baby’s backstory is as confusing as it is, in part because it feels like you can streamline it significantly without losing anything of value (for years I thought the Tuffles were simply one of the many races the Saiyans destroyed while working for Freeza, rather than being part of the convoluted re-working of the Saiyans’ origins), but primarily because it feels like an opportunity to do something new with a “Dragon Ball” villain: give us an antagonist whose grievance against the heroes is actually legitimate. It’s also another reason why having him possess Vegeta for most of the arc is as frustrating as it is, because it means that we are denied any real opportunity to explore the conflict rooted in the Saiyans’ brutal history, and instead get just another long, drawn-out contest of who can out-power up who.

    But then, the “Dragon Ball” franchise in general isn’t exactly high on in-depth explorations of business as heavy as all that, so I suppose I can’t hold that TOO much against Baby. I DO appreciate that Baby is genuinely creepy, in a way that no other villain save Imperfect Cell really is; the sequence where he takes control of Vegeta is genuinely unnerving, for example, and the “Invasion of the Body Snatchers”-style slow-burn reveal that Baby now controls most of Earth when Goku and the others return to Earth is likewise effective. Heck, I even like Super Baby Vegeta’s design, overall, though it’s the only time Baby in ANY form looks especially good. So yeah, I’d say the Team has it about right: it’s not realized as effectively as it could be, but the potential and interesting elements about Baby do indeed manage to elevate him a cut above the rank failure of the rest of “GT”, if only just so.

  • John Krauss

    Hey whatever happened to Uub in Super?

    • Zack Osbourne

      He’s been born, but is still a baby. I’m more concerned by the lack of Bra/Bulla, and no signs that she will be conceived any time soon.

      Speaking of babies, I really hope they do a time skip at some point and highlight the next generation. Super Pan is shaping out to be insanely strong, and I have to imagine that Bra/Bulla, if conceived by a SSJB Vegeta, will be even stronger.

  • Freezerguy

    wow Baby made it pretty far.

  • Calick

    I actually thought Baby´s introduction when he comes out of the water tank to be brilliant. Seeing that baby-like creature with no visible eyes bursting out of it gave me the creeps when I watched it as a kid. And later, when he bursts out of Myu´s chest and reveals he´s actually an evil mastermind, with that soft voice… Amazing!

    It´s a shame they turned him generic after he took Vegeta´s body.

    • Invader_Jim

      I still love the scream for his first power up.

      • Calick

        The scream in Japanese is terrifying.

  • Ajay Paulose

    Baby’s backstory could’ve been a lot better if they made it more personal and made him more relatable. I mean the saiyans were one of the most evil races in the universe. They could’ve easily made Baby’s actions much more understandable. I realize this is just my opinion but I would’ve made Baby a member of the Tuple race rather than their creation. Maybe his loving parent used science to keep him safe and make him more powerful so he could protect himself rather than get revenge. Maybe he’d spend some time searching the universe for saiyans while saving innocent people from conquerors. Maybe he’d even consider forgiving saiyans like Gohan but wouldn’t be able to forgive someone like Vegita who’s proud of his saiyan heritage. Starting to realize this no longer connects much to Baby.

    Side note I really liked SS4. Especially the fact that it required a tail. It made so much sense and is derived from information from the first dragon ball series that is mainly ignored in DBZ. When Goku regrows his tail he gains a significant amount of power even in his regular non-oozaru form.

  • saturn0205 .

    Baby is exactly where he should be on this list. Not in the Top 10, but definitely in the Top 15.

  • NeptuniasBeard

    As a bit of a Baby fan and non-GT hater, I’m pretty satisfied with Baby’s placement. The top of the bottom half is much further than I would expect any GT villain to have reached on anyone’s list

  • Jack Shomo

    Not sure 13 is the best place for Baby, 15 or 16, also what’s with the name Baby?

    • Ajay Paulose

      Because he was pretty much a newborn I guess. Really nowhere to go after Bibidi Babidy Buu. Though adding Majin made Buu sound a lot better.

  • RandomShinigami7

    Baby represents the turning point in GT for me. Up until he turned up it felt like a real chore to get through. From his appearance onward GT was solid. Not as great as OG Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball Z, but it found its footing and was at least kinda entertaining going forward.

    • TheAKZBoy

      Yea

  • goombacrusher

    “It’s hard to top actually taking over the planet.”
    …Until Dragon Ball Super.

    • saturn0205 .

      Yeah, but Super didn’t make the list. Otherwise, I think they would’ve been spared having to remember GT was a thing.

    • AsurasPath22

      No one in Super took over the planet and even then, they sucked at doing so.

      • Blue

        True but Freeza did successfully blow up the planet. for about 15 seconds before the new mcguffin was pulled out, but still pulled it off.

      • TheAKZBoy

        Yea but he didn’t take control of it. Blowing up a city is much easier than taking control of it.

      • Blue

        He blew up the planet not just a city, and he did it in front of Goku also destroying Earths dragon balls in the process. If Whis and Beerus had decided to sleep in that day Freeza would have done something that was only ever accomplished off screen and only in alternate timelines, the killing of all the Z warriors. and besides all of that Baby used mind control to take over the world, anyone can take over the world with mind control its even easier than blowing up the planet.

      • TheAKZBoy

        Maybe yes, but there is still a huge gap that makes baby win.

      • Blue

        Win against Freeza or Win GT, I have no problem with him winning GT the best of a bad situation and all, but so far we haven’t seen Freeza in the countdown yet, though technically its a ranking system going up from the lowest tier so countup? whatever, point is If Freeza made the list, and lets face facts he made the list, he will be ranked higher than Baby so Freeza wins.

      • TheAKZBoy

        Well I never liked freeza, but I did like cooler.

      • Blue

        I find the only appropriate response to that is to quote the return of coolers revenge the reckoning so in the words of Goku as voiced by MasakoX “Freezer is Cooler, and Cooler, is Freezer”

      • Yunus Ahmed

        Are you an idiot? Zamasu literally became the Universe

      • DreadKaiser

        and before that they killed literally every God (save Zeno obviously, though you’d think he’d notice that everyone was dead)

      • AsurasPath22

        Are you retarded? Did you fucking see Zamasu live to talk about it. Stop being a Super tard.

      • Yunus Ahmed

        Lol don’t change the subject
        You said ” No one took over the Earth in Super” That’s blatant ignorance

      • AsurasPath22

        Lol don’t go full retard. No one took over the Earth and lived to talk about it. Zamasu is about as bad as Broly and that is pretty bad.

  • Dave Hughes

    I’m just gonna go ahead and say it: the franchise /needs/ a better story involving the Tuffles. They’re an interesting race, and it would be cool to explore their lore further than what we have seen. Plus, the anime filler episode that introduced them in Z was genuinely pretty horrifying, and made the Saiyans seem like even more of an intimidating force of nature headed for Earth.

    But even then, both Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans and the Baby saga tried to portray them as collectively evil and whiny, so that the fact that they were literally subjected to ethnic cleansing could be justified. I’m all for revenge arcs as much as the next guy, but when is genocide ever the go-to solution for anything? In a half-assed attempt to make Saiyans seem more heroic, the writers ended up passing on a truly vile message: that not only did the Tuffles deserve to die, but that they deserved to die for /not being as strong as Saiyans/.

    All I’m saying is: there’s a gold mine of untapped moral ambiguity and worldbuilding in Tuffles, and I feel like we could use another Tuffle character that’s more on the Lawful Neutral end of things.

    I understand this isn’t a popular opinion, but fuck it.

    • Deecks

      Dragonball Multiverse, though flawed, does do a lot with that concept – one of the main characters is an alternate-timeline version of Doctor Raichi/Lychee who used his ghost warriors to wipe out a nascent Saiyan empire, basically committing genocide to ensure that nobody else would suffer the same fate. It’s pretty heavily acknowledged that he has a lot of issues, both because he’s a mass murderer and because he’s the last of his kind – even though the galaxy at large and his timeline’s version of Tapion consider him to be the universe’s greatest hero.

      • Dave Hughes

        You know, I hadn’t heard of Dragonball Multiverse up until you mentioned it. I’ve checked it out, it’s pretty cool! And I’m glad they did something else with Dr. Raichi.

    • Ajay Paulose

      I think that’s a pretty popular opinion. Personally I think Baby could’ve been portrayed as a parallel to Goku where he’s just as heroic but doesn’t believe in second chances. I would’ve made Baby a member of the Tuple race rather than their creation. Maybe his loving parent used science to keep him safe and make him more powerful so he could protect himself rather than get revenge. Maybe he’d spend some time searching the universe for saiyans to get revenge while saving innocent people from remnants of Frieza’s army. Maybe he’d even consider forgiving saiyans like Gohan but wouldn’t be able to forgive someone like Vegita who’s proud of his saiyan heritage. But I guess I’m basically asking for a new villain if I want to change him that much. If you want an innately evil creature made for revenge then everyone agrees that Cell is a far better option.

  • Bob

    Aside from the writers, Baby really was the best GT villain.

    • Lone

      SAVAGE

    • TheAKZBoy

      Baby will always be the greatest villain 😉

  • BlueMageBrilly

    I personally would have put Baby below Nappa and Raditz, at least. Because while the fact that Baby took over the whole planet is a thing, he did so through an old parasite cliche. Not only that, but his actual system of fighting didn’t actively defeat anyone, but merely put them against something they couldn’t stand against no matter what. If they got cut, they lost. Plain and simple… and that’s bad.

    At least with Raditz and Nappa there was a threat that the fighters could go against, and did, and those two fought with their own power. While that power ends up being overshadowed by Vegeta like an Ant standing behind a boulder, it’s still way more memorable and interesting than that boulder being forced to punch itself into pebbles by that Ant.

    Baby was an interesting concept and led to some interesting development like Super Saiyan 4, but I don’t think he was nearly as interesting or awe inspiring as other villains after you took away the initial surprise of him taking people over. After you realize that’s his thing, it becomes as bland and boring as watching paint dry.

    • NeptuniasBeard

      How often were villains taking over the world through brainwashing parasites in the mid 90s that it’s any more cliche than virtually every villain before or since in this series that was a “kill them all” type villain?

      Also, Baby couldn’t take anyone over unless he was already strong enough to beat them in a fight, which is why he had to go for Goten and Gohan before hunting Vegeta. They absolutely could resist him if strong enough, as seen with Trunks. If he took them over, they lost, the very definition of ‘defeated’. Baby was by no means an ant standing behind a boulder, he was stronger than Vegeta in every way.

      • Blue

        Often enough that a series of 54 children/teen books with that as the central plot device was written and wildly popular.

  • Stache Hand

    Son Goku: “I found you, Baby.”

    Seriously, that line from the Funimation dub.

    • Chaltab

      It sounds like Goku is a stalker creepin’ on some sexy lady.

      • Invader_Jim

        I choose to take it a tad more literally for an unhealthy dose of extra creep…

  • GreatWyrmGold

    Baby is one of only a handful of villains in the entire franchise with a motivation beyond “I’m an evil guy who wants to get power so I can do more evil”. For that alone, he deserves a spot on his list.

    • JustAHologram

      I wonder if the original tuffle out for revenge will be above this

  • Chaltab

    Baby could also have used a better name.

    I mean seriously; baby? The only time the word ‘baby’ strikes horror into anyone’s heart is when they’re playing Metroid: Other M.

    • TactilePope

      “You’ll never get away with this, baby!”

      • Chaltab

        I’d have forgiven a lot about GT if Funimation had just rolled with it being bad and done a Yugioh GX style gag-dub.

        When Baby’s finally defeated have Goku be like “Hasta la vista, Baby!”

        Or “Baby don’t hurt me! Don’t hurt me, no more!”

      • saturn0205 .

        I’m sorry, did we watch the same Yu-Gi-Oh GX? Because that was very serious.

      • Invader_Jim

        Are you kidding? GX was a pissa. It only got ‘serious’ towards the end.

      • Cave Opp

        CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES

      • GameSam

        Card games on Motorcycles?

      • DreadKaiser

        CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES!!!

      • TheAKZBoy

        I think that was 5d.

      • Invader_Jim

        I CAME

        TO REPLY

      • saturn0205 .

        Shadow Riders, Sartorius and the White Dorm, Yubel, Truman, Nightshroud. The series has had many threatening villains.

      • DreadKaiser

        You forgot Viper

        also half of the Shadow Riders were…….chumps (ESPECIALLY in the dub version, ye God even 4Kids knew the Sarcophagus series sucked)

      • saturn0205 .

        True, he should be on the list by virtue of Truman being on the list.

        And, yeah, on reflection, the Shadow Riders were gimmicky, but when you meet Nightshroud for the first time? That is very intimidating, and Judai is injured as a result of that clash. And the Sacred Beasts are just as menacing, despite being rip-offs of the Egyptian Gods.

      • DreadKaiser

        Menacing?
        Jaden took 2 of them down. With. Fucking. Bubbleman.

        ok in all seriousness he need a plot device card at the end, and when they showed up again in season 3 he was actually afraid of fighting them without it……….which is odd since he had no issues beating THE WINGED FUCKING DRAGON OF RA (the strongest version of it no less)…….but what is continuity in GX

      • Invader_Jim

        What I meant by ‘serious’ towards the end was it became less humorous due to the side characters either not having as much screen time or themselves just not bein their normal funny (stupid) cunts like they were in the beginning.
        Did they ever get to dubbing the final season?

      • saturn0205 .

        No. 4Kids wanted to move on to 5Ds.

      • DreadKaiser

        depends,did you watch the dub or original?

        4Kids gave up on being serious, if a major antagonist wasn’t around, there was nothing bug gags and 4th wall breaks

      • saturn0205 .

        I watched both versions, actually. And Season 4 was never dubbed in English. GX and Arc V are my favorite seasons of the show.

        And let’s face it – every Yu-Gi-Oh English dub has its issues because of 4Kids. LittleKuriboh made them villains for a reason. I don’t judge a show on the dub alone for this reason.

      • DreadKaiser

        Littlekuriboh made them villains?

        you mean they WEREN’T Pure fucking evil until the Abrdiged series started?

      • saturn0205 .

        lol!

      • Chaltab

        “I’m really good at playing card games! And that’s what life is really all about, anyway!”

      • saturn0205 .

        Which can be said for every series protagonist. Yugi, Jaden, Yusei, Yuya… that’s pretty much the premise of the show!

      • Chaltab

        That was actually a line uttered by a character in Yugioh GX though. The show was ribbing the fact that people are so obsessed with card games in that universe. Hell Jaden’s best friend broke the fourth wall to point out that he was a useless sidekick character.

      • DreadKaiser

        I think my favorite would be
        “The sooner I beat you, the less bad dialogue I have to hear.”

      • TheAKZBoy

        It had a gag dub?

      • saturn0205 .

        No, that’s just an unjust insult towards GX.

      • DreadKaiser

        uhhh no.
        the start of season 3 was…………one set lemme find that……ah here it is

        http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2bml9_is-littlekuriboh-writing-for-yu-gi_fun

        yes, this is ACTUAL DUB DIALOGUE

      • Karthull

        Was that song even around in the mid 90s?

      • Chaltab

        It’s from 1993. But even if it weren’t Funi wasn’t dubbing GT until the mid 00s.

    • GreatWyrmGold

      It probably sounds less stupid when it’s in a foreign language. “Akachan” probably sounds at least moderately menacing to someone with no knowledge of Japanese.

    • YuriFan

      You’re talking about a show who’s characters are named after food and underwear. Baby is a bit of a nitpick.

  • Fiere

    the thing I hate about baby the most is that he gave a solution to the blackstar arc that I thought off, use the dragon balls to make another earth like you did with namek and wish everyone else there, problem solved.

    it’s brings up my biggest issue with GT, the issues are so easy to be solved it’s not even funny.

    I gave the reason for the first one but with baby, goku should have just cut off his tail, with super 17 stop shooting him with kids and the shadow dragons split up and take them out one out of time and use the blitzwave machine to make all the saiyans super saiyan 4.

    • GreatWyrmGold

      Dragon Balls—For when your plot has some loose ends which need to be tied up ASAP! Order now; supplies are limited.

    • Ajay Paulose

      That last thing is more of a problem with DBS in my opinion. I mean all you have to do is hold hands and even non-super saiyans can become gods at least temporarily? I feel like I missed some extra conditions there.

    • DreadKaiser

      did Goku even know about the tail-cutting ->Detransform thing before GT?
      the only great ape he ever saw was Vegeta, and he was …….well squeaky toyed by the time they cut of vegeta’s tail

      • Fiere

        he had his tail cut several times as a kids and watched gohan get his tail cut

  • Michael Johnson

    I remember BAby when Gohan had to fight his own brother, not much as reruns weren’t there during my memory of the running

  • jack Wood

    super baby vegeta is probably one the best looking character design in gt and maybe in all of dragon ball

    • Pakari

      The outfit is nice, at least. It’s great to have it in XV2.

    • Ajay Paulose

      I don’t know if he’s as handsome as Perfect Cell…

  • Sailor Mewni

    I think Baby would have been more interesting had he possessed Goku, and the Z-Fighters had to fight the possessed Goku.

    • Fiere

      which is what made black so fun…….if it only made sense.

      • GreatWyrmGold

        What was so nonsensical about it? It’s just a little time travel snarl.

      • Fiere

        that’s the problem. time travel Is very hard to pull off.

      • Ajay Paulose

        It also proved they can’t beat immortals unless the immortals do something to ruin things for themselves. I mean they had a method to seal him but it was basically ignored.

      • Invader_Jim

        If you find it too difficult to wrap ya head around, check out MasakoX’s video about Black.

    • Pakari

      And you know why they didn’t do that? Because the people in charge of making GT made the STUPID mistake of making Goku the sole focus of the series. There isn’t a SINGLE villain in GT that wasn’t defeated without Goku doing most of the work. The only exception is Syn/Omega Shenron, but even then, Goku was mostly in charge of Gogeta at that point.

      • Invader_Jim

        Well it was called Dragonball Goku Time for a reason…

    • Mathew Gibbons

      It would have been especially fitting if Uub was the one to take him down.

  • Sailor Mewni

    My guess for the top 5:

    5. Cell

    A character..who….honestly got worse as he transformed. I actually hind Imperfect Cell the best of the set due to his creepy demeanor. That being said, him treating ending the world like a game was good, but I think #4 did it a bit better. It took the sacrifice of Goku to take him down and that was intersting.

    4. King Piccolo

    The evil half of the world’s guardian. This already is interesting, but how cunning he was, by showing intellect by killing all the martial artists, and then treating destroying the world like a game was interesting. His son even became a major character as well, and without him. King Piccolo is the first major serious villain in the series. Sure we had Tao, but he was not really a ‘major’ villain despite the danger he presented

    3. Buu

    Yes, I put Buu ABOVE Cell, and personally I would rank him at #1, but this is a guess for the list. I love the idea that they went with here. A naughty child who didn’t know better, and after forming a friendship with Mr Satan learned that killing was wrong. That was very engaging! Then after exerting his evil half, in an interesting twist on the whole King Piccolo and Kami thing, the Evil Buu absorbed Good Buu. After this he became a ruthless monster, and changed personality with each absobtion, from cunning with Piccolo absorbed, and cocky with Gohan absorbed, we never had a villain so diverse in personalities in 1 character, even with others absorbed. Finally we have Kid Buu, who was like a feral animal who could blow up planets! Each form of Buu felt unique and differant from each other, and best of all, he is from the best saga!

    2. Pilaf

    Yes, Pilaf. Not only was he the first arc’s villain, but also set into motion the main plot point of GT, still relevant in-series 30 years later, hilarious, and in Super has managed to be…surprisingly helpful as an ally. We have other goofy villains like the Ginyu Force, but none have really captured the majesty of the bumbling Pilaf.

    1. Freeza

    The cause for most of the events of the series. His ruthless, yet fearful personality is interesting, and the design of his final form and Golden form are great.

    • DreadKaiser

      Reverse King Piccolo and Frieza, and replace Pilaf with Piccolo Jr (if he is eligable) and you got my list

      Frieza retroactively caused a load of events
      King Piccolo did it on screen

      King Piccolo probably had the biggest impact of all. when he showed up, People were killed, the fun adventure came to an end, the comedy died.
      He was quick, ruthless and efficient. and what did it get him?
      He Got his wish, He Took over the world. He killed the Fucking Eternal Dragon. KING. PICCOLO. WON.
      while Goku cut his reign short, he got EVERYTHING he set out to get. even after that, he created Piccolo Jr, who later became the single greatest ally the Z fighters had, even lasting til the Buu arc before becoming irrelevant.
      EVERYTHING piccolo Jr did, is thanks to King Piccolo

      Meanwhile, Frieza, while a great villain had none of what made King Piccolo so effective. Especially him sitting on his ass til literally his entire army was dead

    • TactilePope

      I cannot stand Pilaf. I am just not a fan of his schtick. Every time they cut away to him during a compelling scene I die a little inside.

      • Invader_Jim

        LOL. I totally get how ya feel, ESPECIALLY in BoG. However I have warmed up to him over the duration of the series, even if only by proxy of being in the same scenes as Mai.

      • Mathew Gibbons

        That’s more of an issue of modern Pilaf rather than the way he was in the original series.

    • BlueMageBrilly

      Beerus is probably going to be #2 or #1. While he has become more of a side character than a villain, for sure, they still considered him a villain for the Battle of Gods movie. In their “Top 24 movies and specials”, Battle of Gods was top and they claimed that Beerus was an interesting villain.

      • DreadKaiser

        there IS a difference between villain and antagonist however

      • GreatWyrmGold

        I’d call Beerus a villain. He has selfish motivations and causes needless pain and destruction; I’m not sure what you’re looking for before calling the antagonist a villain.

      • Pakari

        An antagonist merely works against the protagonist. But antagonist =/= villain and protagonist =/= hero. Take a look at the cartoon known as Invader Zim, the protagonist, Zim, is an alien trying to conquer Earth, he’s the villain. The antagonist, Dib, is trying to expose Zim and save Earth, he’s the hero.

        In the majority of Super, Beerus isn’t a villain or a hero. He’s either an anti-hero (works with or against the heroes, but isn’t a true enemy or ally) or neutral (doesn’t take sides). He was ONLY an antagonist in the Battle of Gods movie/saga and, even then, he was patient enough to wait for Goku to become a Super Saiyan God, was willing to spare the Earth and even decided to come back for food now and again. He was an antagonist, but not a villain, as he never did anything beyond wanting a good fight and doing his job. If destroying stuff is your job, then you can’t be a villain as you don’t have a choice in destroying a planet or not. All he can do is choose WHICH planets to destroy, and it seems that the food he gets from inhabited planets is ALL he gets from his job.

      • GreatWyrmGold

        First off, weren’t you calling Beerus an antagonist earlier?
        Second off…conquering planets was Vegeta’s jo. Being an emperor was Frieza’s job. Killing Goku and causing pain and suffering were the androids’ jobs. Blowing stuff up was Buu’s job. Just being “your job” doesn’t absolve you of villainhood.

      • Chris Litwin

        But isn’t that just from the perspective of a person who is in danger of having their world blown up? Beerus does a necessary, though distasteful, service for the universe. Destroy what is old or unnecessary, while the Kais create anew. Beerus IS a threat, but he isn’t evil by definition. And you need to be evil to be a villain.

      • DreadKaiser

        now that I’m off of work, the example I would have given

        First off, Beerus does NOT just do what Zeno tells them to. it was made pretty clear they are basically doing whatever they want (like Champa going after the Super Dragon Balls and Beerus getting his various feasts and judging the fate of the world with it). Zeno doesn’t seem to do much directing, if any.

        also 19 was not a robot without free will. he was just the only loyal android and quite clearly enjoyed Goku’s suffering. also had the ability to get overconfident (he kicked a dying Gokus super saiyan ass, then thought he could take on the healthy Vegeta……oh and then felt fear, all of the fear)

        fuck as basically every other android proved, Gero was clearly incapable of NOT giving them free will

        Beerus does enjoy blowing shit up and fighting. Know who else enjoyed fighting?
        yeah, Goku. personality-wise, Beerus and Goku aren’t that different. Beerus is basically Goku with less restraint and a shitload more power

      • GreatWyrmGold

        I’d believe that if Beerus showed more regret or hesitation before destroying planets, or at the very least if the planets he destroyed didn’t have an odd coincidence of lining up with planets whose inhabitants had annoyed, disappointed, or otherwise displeased him.

      • Pakari

        Antagonist does NOT always mean villain (as explained by the god-damn example I gave you). They’re just the opponent (NOT necessarily an enemy) of the protagonist, which is just the MAIN CHARACTER and does NOT have to specifically be a HERO. It’s so simple!

        Vegeta: Didn’t have a choice, yet took personal satisfaction out of conquering and destroying planets. He was a villain at that time.
        Frieza: Being an emperor is not a job. He did all those things because he WANTED to. He was a villain.
        Gero: Wanted revenge on Goku, and worked for an army dedicated to world domination. He was a villain.
        Android 19: A mere slave to Gero with no free will. He was NOT a villain.
        Android 16: Programmed to kill Goku and nothing else, a mere slave to his programming. NOT a villain.
        17 and 18: Wanted to kill Goku for fun, in other words, personal satisfaction. They were villains.
        Cell: Wanted to fight Goku and destroy the Earth for personal satisfaction. He was a villain.
        Buu: PURE EVIL, MAGICAL DEMON WITH A COMPLETE LACK OF SANITY! He destroys because it pleases him. Personal satisfaction. He was a villain.
        Beerus: A mere underling of Zeno with the job to destroy. He gets nothing out of it apart from food of the planets he visits. He doesn’t destroy because he wants to, he destroys because he has to. He’s a decent enough guy to at least give his targets a CHANCE rather than blindly destroying them. He’s NOT a villain.

      • Chris Litwin

        I need to say this now: Beerus DID in fact enjoy destroying things. He just didn’t destroy willy-nilly. He loves his job and what he gets to do. He even demands respect for it. He just doesn’t destroy everything he comes across, possibly because he knows he could mistakenly destroy worthwhile (see: Earth) and because he knows Zeno-sama will get made at him for doing so. The fact that he doesn’t destroy just because he can is the one thing keeping him from being a full-blown villain.

      • Pakari

        You may be right. However, it doesn’t take away from the whole “Beerus is not a villain.” thing. Beerus, like all other gods, are a neutral party. They do what Zeno tells them to. If Beerus is a villain, then the same goes for ALL gods, making Zeno the evil mastermind.

      • GreatWyrmGold

        I understand the difference between “antagonist” and “villain”. However: A. I don’t believe the distinction applies to Beerus, and B. you were saying earlier that Beerus was an antagonist and not a villain, but later said he wasn’t an antagonist either.

        Your distinctions seem to be rather arbitrary; it sounds like you subconsicously decided whether most of them were villains beforehand and argued from there. And it’s not true that Beerus only destroys planets because he has to; he doesn’t derive the same maniacal glee from destruction that Frieza does, but he isn’t exactly regretful, and every act of destruction we see Beerus do has a personal motivation of some sort behind it. Not once does he destroy a planet just because it’s his job.

      • Pakari

        I said that he wasn’t an antagonist ANYMORE because he no longer worked against the protagonists (Goku and Vegeta) after the Battle of Gods arc. In fact, most of the time, he stays on the sideline to watch, making him neither a protagonist NOR an antagonist.

        If Beerus is a villain, then the same would go for EVERY SINGLE GOD!
        Zeno tells Beerus to destroy. If Beerus doesn’t do it, HE’LL be destroyed and replaced with a more competent God of Destruction (who would be a LOT more destructive than Beerus). Heck, if Beerus followed Zeno’s orders to the letter, he would’ve destroyed EVERYTHING he came across. But he doesn’t. He’s not omnicidal, he’s not pure evil, and he doesn’t get any real benefit out of destroying planets besides BEING ALLOWED TO EXIST (hell, if you even watched the Universe 6 v. 7 Tournament saga, you’d realise that Zeno ALREADY threathened to destroy Beerus because he wasn’t being destructive ENOUGH)! He only destroys planets deemed unworthy, so the Kais can create new worlds.

        If Beerus is a villain for NOT doing his job good enough, then that makes Zeno the evil mastermind for expecting Beerus to destroy everything without a second thought.

      • GreatWyrmGold

        “If Beerus is a villain, then the same would go for EVERY SINGLE GOD!”
        Is that so? Name one time that King Yemma, King Kai, or the Supreme Kai took action directly against the protagonists even partly for their own reasons.

        You speak as if you know what Beerus has been ordered to do, when we haven’t heard anything of the sort. In any case, I’d be shocked if Zeno told Beerus to “destroy EVERYTHING he came across”. There is literally nothing to suggest that Zeno would want this, or that Beerus’s position as God of Destruction warrants such action, let alone that Beerus has actually been ordered to do so.
        You also failed to address my point that Beerus decides what to destroy based purely on selfish motivations. Those “planets deemed unworthy” are judged not by the content of the inhabitants’ character or the quality of their construction or anything, but on if they have annoyed him personally.

      • Pakari

        You’re really not getting it, are you? Zeno tells Beerus to destroy and even then, he is actually ANGRY at Beerus for not being destructive enough. The ONLY purpose of a God of Destruction is to destroy planets, whereas it’s the duty of the Kais (Gods of Creation) to make new ones. There’s nothing in the job description about judging a planet and Beerus actually CHOSE to judge them rather than just instantly destroy them. Feel free to look it up yourself.

        Here, have a whole piece of info directly from the Dragon Ball wiki. “Though the Gods of Destruction may enjoy their duty, some going as far as to revel in it, they are not inherently evil, and are actually well-mannered and kind-hearted when on a good mood or at ease. Also, at least in the cases of Beerus and Champa, food is their natural way to calm down and socialize, going as far as becoming friends with mortals if they are pleased enough, though they remain serious and do not joke around when doing their job.”

        Beerus takes his job seriously, that doesn’t mean he’s evil. As explained in what I just told you, if he’s not pissed off, he’s a nice guy. It’s his job to destroy, and he’s allowed to enjoy it. That doesn’t make him evil.

        If destroying something and enjoying to destroy something makes someone evil, then you can say that real-life demolition workers who enjoy their job are also evil. Beerus is quite LITERALLY a demolition worker among the gods.

      • GreatWyrmGold

        Very nearly no one in Dragon Ball is “inherently evil”. In fact, I’d argue that someone who chooses to do evil is more evil than someone who is compelled to do evil by their nature.
        Beerus is not comparable to a demolition worker. Demolition workers don’t destroy inhabited structures, they don’t destroy structures without both a direct order to destroy this specific structure or without giving warning to everyone nearby, and they sure as hell don’t destroy buildings because their inhabitants insulted them.

      • Pakari

        Here’s another thing. Compared to other Gods of Destruction, Beerus and Champa are the two LEAST DESTRUCTIVE. Beerus enjoys his work, but he’s not destructive enough to be a competent God of Destruction. If Beerus unfairly judges a planet for destruction, then it’s OBVIOUS a God of Destruction’s work is to destroy any and every planet they come across without even thinking about it. What you’re basically saying is that ALL Gods of Destruction are villains, even though they’re doing exactly what their told because they have to. If anything, that means Zeno is the real villain as HE created the position of God of Destruction in the first place.

        You’re saying that gods actually look at mortals like people. Remember, the Kais create worlds AND the life on them. What a God of Destruction destroys, they can recreate. Real construction/demolition workers can’t recreate lost lifes, but the Kais CAN. To them, they’re not losing something irreplacable. So, yeah, Beerus is really just a god-like demolition worker who’s not even good at his job.

      • GreatWyrmGold

        Why do you keep insisting that Beerus destroys planets because it’s his job without even addressing my points to the contrary? Worst of all, you keep insisting that Beerus is a demolition worker despite my numerous points on how their jobs have just about nothing in common past the surface level, even ignoring motivations.

        Not treating a certain group of people as people because you don’t think they’re people doesn’t make you less evil. If anything, it makes you more evil. I hate to break out the Hitler card, but by that logic the Nazis did nothing wrong because they thought of Jews, Slavs, gays, etc, as subhuman.

      • Pakari

        “Points to the contrary”? Destroying planets is his job. The fact that his current rate of destruction is considered INSUFFICIENT means that, compared to other Gods of Destruction, Beerus cares too much. The only motivation other Gods of Destruction have is “If I don’t destroy, Zeno will kill me”. Beerus gets NOTHING out of destroying planets, so he has no motivation beyond “If I don’t do it, I’ll die”.

        As I said before, THE KAIS CAN CREATE BOTH NEW PLANETS AND THE LIFE ON SAID PLANETS! Unlike what the Nazis did, the Kais can, if needed, directly UNDO Beerus’ destruction. Hell, the Kais themselves aren’t even supposed to care about mortals either. The Kais create and observe their creations, even to them, if a planet and its inhabitants gets wiped out, even THEY are like “Well, too bad, let’s hope for better next time”.
        Beerus destroys lifes as part of his job, the Kais create life and, if said life is destroyed, they just start over. They care even LESS about mortals than Beerus does.

      • GreatWyrmGold

        If Beerus only destroyed planets because it was his job, your point would be valid. I’d repeat my points about why that’s not the case, but you’ve given no indication that you read them the first time—why should I bother to do so again?

        People can earn more money, write more books, make more babies. Does this make theft, book-burning, or infanticide less evil?

        Claiming that the kais care less about mortals than Beerus is insane. They’ve never threatened any mortal, save those who threatened mortals themselves. Moreover, they’ve directly acted to preserve mortal life! Are you even thinking before you say these things?

      • Pakari

        Beerus only destroying planets because it’s his job is a FACT, a shame you don’t bother to look it up. Use your brain. Beerus’ current rate of destruction was considered insufficient by HIS SUPERIOR! If “Destroy almost all but leave a few I like” is considered insufficient, then it’s obvious a God of Destruction’s job is literally “Destroy anything and everything you come across without hesitation”. And, remember, if Beerus doesn’t destroy, HE will be destroyed instead and replaced with a better, more efficient God of Destruction who WILL destroy without hesitation. Compared to what’s been said about the other Gods of Destruction, Beerus and Champa are AS CLOSE TO GOOD as they can be without Zeno destroying them.

        You’re comparing a GOD destroying MORTALS as a human killing other humans? That’s not even CLOSE to accurate. If you replace “god” with “human”, then the closest comparison to “mortals” would be “ants”. Gods are far above mortals and there are MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of inhabited worlds in Dragon Ball. Compared to all of those, do you really think the destruction of Earth would be important to a group of gods who’s job it is to CREATE NEW WORLDS TO REPLACE THE ONES DESTROYED BY BEERUS?

        All of that info came either directly from the wiki, or from using common sense. You ask me if I think before saying things, yet YOU think “God vs mortal” is the same as “human vs human”, as if gods and mortals were on a similar level.

      • GreatWyrmGold

        The problem isn’t quantity, it’s motivation. Beerus isn’t motivated to destroy planets by “It’s my job,” he’s motivated by “These guys are annoying”. The former motivation would justify his actions as “just doing my job,” if we accept that justification; the latter doesn’t.

        First off, a human who destroys ants willy-nilly is still a dick. Second off, DBZ’s gods are nowhere near as far above mortals as you seem to assume—not morally, not rationally, and for all but Zeno himself, not even in terms of sheer power. They’re just as flawed and weak as mortals. (Well, the average god can beat up more people than the average mortal, but what kind of measuring stick is that?) Third, even if they were, gods using that as a reason to accept the death of billions of mortals would be morally unjustified. They’d still be evil by any rational morality. After all, if we accept their rationale, shouldn’t we also accept the rationale of everyone else who has a reason behind their murders? At minimum, the ones who killed people because they thought of them as subhuman would be valid.

        But I made that point last post, and you ignored it. If you keep ignoring my goddamn points, I’m going to just ignore you. You have been warned.

      • Pakari

        Oh yeah, like every action only needs ONE motive. Beerus’ PRIMARY motive is “It’s my job, if I don’t do it, I’ll be killed”. Only THEN comes “These guys are annoying”. Beerus MUST destroy, but he cares enough to at least give each planet a chance. And, for the who knows how manyth time, BEERUS ISN’T EVEN DESTROYING ENOUGH! The fact that Beerus even gives planets a CHANCE still makes him a better person than the other Gods of Destruction.

        1. Beerus is an asshole, everyone knows that. But who is stupid enough to say “He’s rude so he’s evil”?
        2. The gods in Dragon Ball (use the name of the franchise as a whole, not that of one series) have the power to create or destroy worlds. Every planet AND the life ON said planet is the result of a Kai. By their abilities and status alone, they are far beyond mortals.
        3. You say Beerus’ motivation is that the planets he destroys annoy him. If that makes him evil, the same can be said about a human swatting a wasp that keeps buzzing around him, but no one cares about a wasp’s death, so why would the Kais care about a single grain of sand in an endless desert that just happens to have bugs crawling on it?

        There’s only two Supreme Kais in Universe 7. The younger Supreme Kai only saved Gohan because they needed someone to defeat Buu. The Elder Kai didn’t interfere with anything beyond unleashing Gohan’s potential. So, the whole “They’ve directly acted to preserve mortal life” doesn’t work when it’s ONE Kai who saved ONE mortal, yet allowed the entire rest of Earth to be destroyed. “Are you even thinking before you say these things” is a question you should ask yourself. As I’ve said several times before, all my points came from reading the DB wiki AND by knowing how things work in Dragon Ball.
        If you want to ignore me, go ahead, you’re only wasting your own time by replying, Beerus wasn’t a villain, he was a neutral force that served as the antagonist of the movie/saga, something Toriyama himself made very clear.

    • Chris Litwin

      Honestly, I’m willing to bet Vegeta will be up there. Yeah, he’s a reformed DB mainstay now, but he did in fact start off as a villain. He has a complex backstory that defines him, and the effect he’s had on the series is lasting. His overall personality is spectacular as well.

      • saturn0205 .

        Quite frankly, I expect Vegeta to be Number 1 based on his impact alone.

    • Gitar Gy

      VEGETA!

    • Invader_Jim

      Place Buu at 5 so it moves Cell and KP up one slot and I am on board with that.

    • AsurasPath22

      Beerus is shit, he is a useless character that has just added more unnecessary plot to a crappy story. I doubt he would even be in the top 5. Even then, Buu would be in my top 5, but not 3, he would be a 5. Cell would be a 2, mainly because of his goals to become perfect and so on.

      • DreadKaiser

        useless?
        theres good reason he hasn’t done much, he’d make the ENTIRE PLOT irrelevant if he assisted the Heroes or would end the series instantly if he was the enemy. no middle ground

        and even if he has physically done little after BoGs, his mere existence is lorebuilding.
        beyond that he is mostly there for comedy, not that he hasn’t done anything (as the ashes of Present Zamasu can attest)

        good back 10 years and ask yourself if there was a God in the Dargonball universe that wasn’t made obsolete before they even showed up

      • AsurasPath22

        Nah, he is pure useless garbage. He was pretty promising in BOG, but now he is Shit. Probably because of the anime.

  • Jack

    I’ve noticed a distinct lack of DB era villains so far. No Red Ribbon, no Mercenary Tao and no King Piccolo as of yet. Not even the Pilaf gang

    • Sailor Mewni

      I have a feeling Pilaf will be in the top 10. Possibly even top 5,

    • DreadKaiser

      King Piccolo is basically secured a top 5 spot
      Pilaf and Piccolo Jr may not even be on the list (in that they stopped being villains, not by being bad)
      Tao is most likely in the top 10 as well
      Red Ribbon is probably coming up soon

    • I doubt the Red Ribbon Army is in there. While their designs were certainly interesting and the concept sounded great; they were already outclassed by Goku on every level. The only ones from the RR-army worth noting were General Blue and Mercenary Tao (who technically was just hired by them)…
      Mercenary Tao on the other end, I expect to have a high place in this list. He’s the first bad guy in the DB-universe that effectively KILLS a supporting character and has Goku use the dragonballs to revive somebody for the first time. And even after Goku defeats him, he ends up returning in a cybernetic Body (Frieza copied HIM, you know).
      And Demon King Piccolo remains one of the best villains of the Dragonball universe, so that’s a top 5 spot in my eyes.
      And the Pilaf gang… They MUST be on this list, but only as a single group together. And I kind of expect them somewhere soon. They’ve never been much of a threat, but the things they cause are so great. They’re the first real bad guys, back when it was still kind of a gag manga; they released Demon King Piccolo, which sets so much in motion; they find the Black Star Dragon Balls and cause a lot of the mess in GT. And even in Super, they are still around as gag characters, and at a certain point in time you know they’re still going to cause more problems (knowingly or unknowingly).

    • Invader_Jim

      Gee, it’s almost like there are ANOTHER 12 SPOTS TO GO.

  • Nanya

    “Oh look! Something worse than GT itself!” – LOL!

    Also, let’s be frank, the whole “Battle of Gods” fight was basically a SS4 Goku vs Bebi-Vegeta remake.

    • Jack

      Uhh, what?

      • Gammy

        I can only image he refer to the “ritual”. In GT Goku was exausted so all the others go around him transfering their energy (While Majuub was tryibg to buy time, by angry explosion inside him)

        Other than that I don’t know

    • Sailor Mewni

      how?

    • DreadKaiser

      we watched the same movie, right?

      • Nanya

        Last major enemy before the current one was Majin Buu
        SS3 Goku wasn’t strong enough to defeat the enemy and got knocked around like a rag doll.
        Had to unlock a new SS transformation that boosted Goku to insane heights and let him fight the new threat evenly.
        Climax of the fight happens with a giant sphere of destruction being caught by Goku, who has to basically absorb it, much to the shock of his opponent

        Now, am I talking about Battle of Gods or GT?

      • DreadKaiser

        Of course I do we not see such similarities between a tiny purple cat and a giant Golden Monkey

        What you described as more or less the standard formula for all of the final fights

        Last season Super Saiyan isn’t good enough unlock new one then win

      • Nanya

        *Coughs*
        SS3 did nothing.

      • DreadKaiser

        Ok gonna have to spell it out, that’s too bad.
        you will now note that it does not change my answer in the slightest.
        replace that with

        *Coughs*
        Kaio Ken did nothing.

        and you have Frieza

        *Coughs*
        SS1 did nothing.

        you have the Androids, then Cell with grades 2 and 3

        *Coughs*
        SS2 did nothing.

        and you have Majin Buu

        Also, where is the Golden Great Ape in the BoG side of that comparison?
        where is the antagonist needing a healer and his own emergency Transfermation
        or Majuub attacking Beerus from the inside?
        where is the Antagonist LOSING in the BoG side.

        2 similarities does not make that long (and very incomplete) list of differences disappear. one of which is shared with basically every villain

        the only reason you can even make the comparison is because Super/BoG Ignored GT
        with your logic

        OH FUCK, SS1 GOHAN COULDN’T STOP HIM, SS2 DID.
        am I talking about Bojack or Cell? either? oh then Bojack unbound was basically the Cell Saga
        It had a Tournament and it had a big green guy that needed SS2 to take down. definately the same

        Shall I go on?, I got a lot of time on my hands now that exams are over and have written way bigger walls of text than this

      • Deecks

        To be fair, Bojack Unbound’s ending is a pretty direct rip of the end of the Cell Games. Gohan’s initially doing well against the villain, but then the fight turns against him. The Z-warriors get picked off one by one by the bad guy’s minions. All hope is lost… then at a pivotal moment, Goku speaks to his son from the afterlife. Gohan turns into a Super Saiyan 2, and effortlessly defeats the minions of the big bad, followed by the big bad himself. (Okay, to be fair, the Goku talking to his son from the afterlife part got moved. But hey. Semantics.)

      • DreadKaiser

        Damnit you didn’t mention Hercule, I actually had a reply set for that one. its why I used Bojack/Cell instead of Broly

        yeah I could have used a better example, but my point remains.

      • Nanya

        *Yawn*
        You’re just as boring as Frieza was to SSJ Goku. Your argument falls flat and you can’t even make the proper comparisons.

        So, go ahead, you’re wasting your time.

        Goodbye.

      • Dread Kaiser

        What an earth-shattering rebuttal

        “You argument sucks, not explaining why. Lol. Goodbye”

        I’ve seen creationists put better arguments than that

    • Fiere

      you mean the ritual when they hold hands? that didn’t make any sense in GT.

      • Gammy

        It actually male more sense in GT (since they just transfer energy). In BoG that ritual turn into God…i mean wtf

      • GreatWyrmGold

        Maybe it’s just me, but I put “silly little ritual where they hold hands and transfer energy” above “trained for a while and now my muscles/hair is gigantic”.

      • Gammy

        It wasn’t the ritual to turn him into Ssj4. He obtained that form before by maintaing cpntrol of the Oozaru transfprmation while Ssj. The Ssj4 is actually the form that make more sense (except the pants growt) since it is 1) Close to Suw Wukong description 2) It connect with the Great Ape nature of Saiyan (Even Ssj3 with the cavernical aspect remind that of a monkey)

        The ritual in BoG was just stupid. How the heck saiyan can access to God power while they are barbaric race is really stupid.

      • GreatWyrmGold

        …I didn’t mention anything SSJ4-related in my comment. And I don’t get why people have a problem with Saiyans accessing godly powers but not them increasing their strength nearly a thousand times over by training on a space ship and then getting beaten up…to say nothing of SSJ. “Krillin died again! Argh! This makes me a lot stronger!”

      • Ajay Paulose

        It’s just a little irritating to know that any 5 saiyans could’ve annihilated Frieza and Buu by holding hands. Emotion becoming strength is a normal and usually OK cliche for shounens. Training to become stronger is a core point of DBZ. This was just lazy writing. It completely ignored the definition of god that the series so far had established and to some extent invalidated the hard work they did beforehand. It’s not the magnitude of the power increase that’s irritating.

      • GreatWyrmGold

        I assume there’s more to the ritual than “holding hands”.

        And what “definition of god” are you complaining about them ignoring?

      • Ajay Paulose

        Gods/ the Kais are basically their own species. They are strong but completely blown away by our protagonists. Adding a second species of god that is far more violent and powerful seems totally fine. But there was never any mention of anything like God Ki or that mortals could become gods. The only condition for the ritual is that all the saiyans must be righteous.They do not however need to be born.

      • GreatWyrmGold

        The line between god and mortal never was all that clear-cut. For instance, Kami is in the same organization, at least, as the kais—there’s a reason his title translates as “God of Earth”.

      • Ajay Paulose

        True. They haven’t avoided adding new layers to the hierarchy of power in the universe like when the revealed there were 4 king kais and another kai over them and another group of kais over them. Kami’s actual title though is guardian of earth. He was nameless so I imagine when people started calling him god he just accepted it as his name or he picked the name and people used it as their word for god.

      • GreatWyrmGold

        “Guardian” is a dub-ism. Presumably because calling him “God” would have conflicted with certain…ideas…that most English-speakers have about gods.

      • Ajay Paulose

        Then is Kami actually the name of the position in the raw?

      • GreatWyrmGold

        I believe so.

      • Fiere

        since when is that how transfer energy works, it’s always been stated you just lift your hands up.

        in bog it was explanned.

      • Gammy

        They transfer the energy in Goku to let him continue to fight…not to make a Spirit Bomb. It was just another way to let him recharge energy. The God ritual on the other hand was just stupid…how it connect to Saiyan nature is not explained especially when you think they are a barbaric warlord race.The entire concept of SsG was halfassed (Just need 5 saiyan to gave you energy and you turn into God)

      • Chaltab

        Saiyans being a barbaric race isn’t neccesarily true: the ones who lived on Vegeta, yeah, but the original Saiyans of planet Salda were clearly advanced enough to have space travel. Maybe they had a long mystic tradition and Super Saiyan God was a lost part of that.

    • Chaltab

      Yeah especially the part where Beerus turned into the mighty Golden Ooneko and got a 500x power boost…

      • Nanya

        Last major enemy before the current one was Majin Buu
        SS3 Goku wasn’t strong enough to defeat the enemy and got knocked around like a rag doll.
        Had to unlock a new SS transformation that boosted Goku to insane heights and let him fight the new threat evenly.
        Climax of the fight happens with a giant sphere of destruction being caught by Goku, who has to basically absorb it, much to the shock of his opponent

        Am I talking about Battle of Gods or GT?