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  • Draco Magnius

    Buu is probably my second favorite villain, Beerus is my favorite, because in every form you still get the feeling Buu is like a child. Fat Buu is the toddler state, playful and fun loving with a touch of cruelty, Super Buu is the pre-teen, a little more grown up, but still hold’s on to a little bit of his childish personality, and lastly Kid/Pure Buu is a teenager full of angst and love of rebelling and destruction.

  • Eric shumway

    That background song is we were angels for anyone who’s wondering.

  • SpaceTheGamer

    Well Buu might not be the greatest villain ever but he’s still cool and Buu saga is still my favourite saga in the series xD

  • Fishy Despoiler

    The only thing that i really despise of the Buu Saga is the “Fusion”.I mean i love Gotenks, because both Present Trunks and Goten are perfect for the fusion, but i hate Vegito. He is just an anticlimatic pretty-face . A bad showing of FanService in DragonBall Z. Together with the Zenkai and the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, the Fusion is one of the things i cannot tollerate in DBZ.

  • Luke La Mendt

    I took the Buu saga to be more about Vegeta’s growth. The way in which Vegeta coped with the loss of Goku told so much about him. He practically mimicked Goku by creating a family, and when the opportunity struck he allowed himself to be put under Babadi’s spell. Though, that was only to the point of releasing the hatred he had held towards Goku showing again Vegeta’s true motive especially when he wouldn’t allow himself to be controlled in an insanely strong desire to be better than the low-class saiyan warrior. All of that and he finally sheds his villianous nature to sacrifice himself in an attempt to destroy Majin Buu. When he’s brought back the relationship between Goku and the newly reborn Vegeta is then explored further showing how he really has changed and ended up fusing with Goku. Then it just keeps going and going and going… Then stops. Abruptly.

  • Hanamichi

    I love Buu, even if he happens to be in the messiest arc he’s one of my top 3 villains

    sooo

    5. Beerus
    4. Cell
    3. King Piccolo
    2. Vegeta
    1. Freeza

    maybe?

  • Michel van der Linden

    ehh…. Buu slaughtered 2 of the supreme kais, he absorbed 1, and then he absorbed whatever the ruler of the supreme kais is called. Just a small correction.

  • Mr. Random

    “Buu isn’t ugly. Buu is beautiful!”

  • Craxnor

    Beerus is #5 and I honestly don’t understand why people like him. As a villain he’s bland and cliche, basically he’s cell without the story long arc and backstory. His existence is a complete ass pull and makes no sense in the given series. Yes he moves the story in another direction and gives a new host of transformations, but at the result of basically nullifying everything from the past series.

    He’s an asshole and the first movie villain not to outright die after the eleventh hour superpower. Those are the only interesting features about him.

  • Pakari

    I still can’t see Beerus as a villain. An antagonist, sure, but not a true villain. We all know that, as the God of Destruction, Beerus doesn’t have much choice. If I were to consider Beerus a villain for his actions, then I’d have to think the same for Zen-oh for coming up with a “God of Destruction” position in the first place. Especially when it’s said that every God of Destruction of each universe seems to enjoy their job, revel in it, even.

    Beerus is a neutral party. He destroys because he has to, if he doesn’t destroy, there won’t be room for new worlds. In short, without Beerus, the Kaioshin would become useless because they’d have absolutely nothing to do.

    • Aryc11

      I’d personally say that Zen-oh IS a villain. He straight-up nukes an entire universe because a single creature existed there that displeased him.

      • Pakari

        A single creature that KILLED ALL THE OTHER GODS IN THAT UNIVERSE, only to then BECOME THAT UNIVERSE. In other words, it was ruined beyond repair, so Zen-oh saw that total destruction of it was the only solution. Remember, while Zen-oh may have said “this is annoying”, he may have been referring to the universe as a whole and not just Zamasu.

      • Aryc11

        I honestly wouldn’t give his character that much credit. And, either way, any lunatic that, as Beerus had stated before, would wipe out an entire universe because they upset him is a villain through and through.

      • Pakari

        Remember that Zen-oh has alot of responsibility. I don’t think he’d have that short of a temper and that each time he did destroy a universe, he had good reason for it. If Zen-oh were to destroy entire universes just because one person there annoyed him, he’d have destroyed Universes 6 and 7 for Champa and Beerus’ incompetence.

        I mean, Future Trunks’ universe had no gods, and the one god that was still around was completely insane and took control over that empty universe. As someone supposedly ruling those universes, it stands to reason that Zen-oh found the state of the universe itself annoying and not just Zamasu as a person.

      • Aryc11

        Fair enough that he probably wanted to deal with the entire universe rather than Zamasu, but Zen-oh’s entire point is to be child-like. I don’t believe he thinks on the level of adults in terms of problem solving. I mean, they have eleven more universes to spare, don’t they? Just toss out the one that’s broken. He has, however, been cited to have destroyed four universes because they annoyed him. Remember, there used to be sixteen of them.

      • Pakari

        He appears childlike and may act as such, but when he’s serious, it’s apparent. He may speak in simple terms, but that doesn’t say anything about how he thinks.

        If Zen-oh found a universe controlled by one crazy god who killed all the other gods just “annoying”, then imagine what must’ve happened in those 4 other universes.

  • Spi3000

    Wait, is Beerus being hinted to be 5? Should he be defined as a “Villain?” Look hear me out on this, when I think of “Villains” I think of characters that mean harm to the Heroes and what they protect. And sure, Beerus is a God of Destruction but to be real, compared to a lot of villains TFS has gone through this list so far, the only actual threat Beerus is, is him being a “God of Destruction.” Other than that he’s rather chill and doesn’t really pose much threat to Earth anymore, and a lot of the Dragon Ball characters usually treat him as just another character. That being said if Beerus was to be labeled anything, it’s “Anti-Hero.” Shoot, King Kai even said it to Goku when he asked if Beerus is bad, for only King Kai to respond “It’s not a matter of good or evil.” But this isn’t my list, if Beerus appears, oh well, and I’m sure the guys will bring up points on why he’s on the list (if he is). Will I agree? Maybe not entirely but that’s why the word “Opinion” exists.

    • Deecks

      He’s the antagonist of Battle of Gods, and he spends that whole movie being an asshole (a funny asshole, but still) and promising to destroy the earth. And Super seems to confirm that he definitely would have done it, too. As for “they don’t treat him like a villain”, well… that applies to about two-thirds of the cast.

  • mikkolaurinen

    My issue with Buu is that unlike the previous DBZ villains he doesn’t really tie into the characters and their pasts. Freeza is integral to the Saiyan background for Goku introduced right at the start of Z, the androids and Cell call back all the way to DB with the Red Ribbon connection, Buu just kinda comes out of nowhere and basically has nothing to do with anything previously established.

    • Kaliaila

      Perhaps if they had tied him somehow to the Guardian of Earth who existed before Kami or perhaps to Mr. Popo that would have been better.

  • Tyrfing42

    So this means both Cell and Beerus are above Buu right? That I disagree with.

  • Cane Jackson

    The Buu Sage was fun for me

    #DBCember

  • Ben Wenger

    Wait… so…. how is Freeza above this guy? All the faults they rant about Buu having, Freeza has like 100 fold. I mean you’re complaining about an overly long drawn out arc — seriously? Did you forget that Freeza has the longest “5 minutes” in history? — and that’s even AFTER a dozen episodes of him fighting Goku before deciding to blow up the planet.

    And over exploration of backstory? At least Buu HAS a backstory. Freeza was just an interplanetary thug with absolutely no personality.

    Freeza, Perfect Cell, and post-Picollo-Super Buu were all interchangible, bland, stock villains. Imperfect Cell and *especially* Fat/pre-Picollo-Super/Kid Buu went out of their way to be different and unique. Both of them should be miles above Freeza on this list.

    I am disappoint.

    And the worst part about it is I know Freeza is going to be in the top 2. Because everyone loves him for some stupid reason.

    • Kaliaila

      Umm.. Frieza has quite a bit of personality to him. He has clear goals, and the only parts of that are that really drag are the ones which were pure filler.

  • Cascade Hellsing

    Buu is my personal favorite, maybe second to Beerus.
    I had actually marathoned the Kai version of the Buu saga the few days before Super premiered, and I just enjoyed it. While as a character, Super Buu is indeed a less charismatic Perfect Cell, the power of absorption and copy is just awesome.
    Plus, I absolutely adore the Majin race ever since Dragon Ball Online. Their backstory is hilarious, their culture is great, and yeah, I always make one when I can.

  • Ken

    Clearly Vegeta has to be #1

    • Kaliaila

      He’s really only a villain for 1 arc, maybe 1 1/2. Vegeta only really comes into his greatness when he stops being a villain.

  • Balmung6

    “Even absorbed one of them in his conquest.”
    Uh, last I checked, he absorbed two – the Supreme Kai’s Leader (Dai-Kai-O, or however it’s spelled), and Southern Kai.

    • Scott “KaiserNeko” Frerichs

      Yeah, we missed that. It went through 4 people and we all forgot who else he absorbed.

      • Balmung6

        …you know what, that’s fair. At some point, Buu WAS essentially using the Absorption as a fallback in the same way Goku does with the Spirit Bomb, nearly.

      • Jack

        Dear Kasier. Sorry if I’m bother you, but apparently some person keeps insisting I ask you this question and it’s getting quite infuriating. So here goes. During Gohan’s fight against Dabura, Vegeta loses his patience

  • Ridghost

    Sorry for Random rant.

    Frieza, Cell, Buu, Demon King Piccolo, Vegeta, Androids, Ginyu Force and so on did things which have just been lost now that Super has come along.

    I think Toriyama needs to calm it down with the power scaling of Vegeta and Goku. Yes we all want Goku to deliver the final blow (or Vegeta), but somewhere along the line Toriyama thought we only wanted Goku and Vegeta. Gohan, Yamcha, Tien, Krillin, Piccolo, 18, Videl were so important because they gave context as to how powerful these villains are and how amazing Goku and Vegeta are. At the sametime we got to see some unique fighting styles and stressful situations from the guys who aren’t as strong. My personal top 3 Saga’s is Saiyan, Cell and Frieza (Although I love the Buu arc and really this list changes depending on the day of the week, but the Saiyan is firmly my number 1.) Lets be honest, Yamcha at the start of the Saiyan arc might’ve been even stronger than Tien, making him one of the top 3 fighters against Nappa and friends. He immediately dies. This really sets the tone and the stakes. Dragonball Super with it’s strange artistic direction (favouring flat colours instead of the detailed stuff we got in Z and Ball), we also lost drama, stakes, tension. The other characters I really care about are now a non-factor. Atleast in Buu, Piccolo became a mentor, and Goten/Trunks got some time in the sun. Atleast in Cell, 16 was strong enough for a while, So was Piccolo, So was Vegeta, So was trunks, and Gohan got his first time to shine in ages. I guess I just miss when Dragonball was a show revolving around the Z fighters, an entire squad of elite earth protecting martial art superheroes. Rather than just… 2.

    As for the subject of Videl below:

    I knew someone who was just like Videl. A girl in a video game I played who just wanted to fit in with the guys but ended up seeming like a bit of a bitch at the time. However over time she gradually let down her guard and opened up a bit more, till she stopped being so aggressive. It’s a funny parallel, I guess people like this really do exist. Still I do think this is a flaw that a lot writers seem to face. The create women characters with the idea of the “Woman” before the “Character”, rather than creating the character first and adding certain feminine traits around it.

    Personally 18 is my favourite female character, but for some reason she is side lined with a child rather than out there fighting with the other characters. For Christ sake, she’s roughly the 4th strongest protagonist in Z fighters squad, yet Krillin is telling her to stay home…

    I could talk about Ball and Z for years, but I just felt inspired to type this for some reason.

    • Kaliaila

      Actually, he tried to develop the other characters during the Z portion, but his editor and the fans at the time rejected that and lead to changes like bringing Goku back as the lead. Also, Super has actually done a rather good job of developing the supporting cast significantly. She’s not side-lined; in most cases she choose not to take part because she would rather be with her family. Also, this is actually very common in reality as well. Women are not forced to leave the workforce after having a child, they choose to do so in most cases when possible. Also, 18 is going to be fighting in the next major arc of Super.

      • Ridghost

        I appreciate your opinion but have to disagree. I don’t want other characters to take over the starring role from Goku, however their characters have regressed. Spoilers potentially. Vegeta does a stupid dance number which I find ridiculous to fathom for his character and I see this change as a negative overall. His rivalry with goku has gone from an intense struggle to mild annoyance. Yamaha, Tien, Krillin, Roshi, Goten, so on have not been developed (normally via fighting an overpowered villain or training for one). We just get more screen time with them, there is a difference. Also the whole 18 issue still feels mysognistic. All of Dragonball Supper’s strong female characters during crunch time are at home looking after the kids. Something is wrong with that, Krillin could easily have let 18 go when she tells him straight up, she’s stronger than him by miles, but no, stay home in the kitchen 18 is all I really get from this. Another example would be bulma who previously defused a bomb in 16 and helped find the Dragonball’s during the frieza arc. She now has absolutely nothing to do apart from get pissed that vegeta is always late.

        I mean I hope you can see the difference in talking about. Super has added screen time, but not development outside of the main 2 heroes and beerus. Where as in Z we saw how all the heroes reacted as each channel came before them and how they changed.

  • GreatWyrmGold

    Out of the four “main” villains of Z (Vegeta, Frieza, Cell, and Buu), I liked Buu best. I do, however, understand that not everyone liked what Buu brings to the table and respect their position. If only more of them respected mine.

  • TheCrazyFish

    The thing I liked best about the Buu Saga is how subtle some of this stuff actually was. You mentioned how Buu’s search for a worthy opponent was a parallel to Goku, but there’s also this:

    In all of Dragonball, Kid Buu is the only villain to actually be killed by the Spirit Bomb.

    Think about that. Why is that? Why is Kid Buu the only one? Simple. Because the Spirit Bomb can’t harm good. Every other villain it’s used on had some good in them. Vegeta… even Freeza. They both had at least some small amount of good in them. As a result, even thought the Spirit Bomb hurt like Hell, it couldn’t actually KILL them. Kid Buu had no good in him. He was the only Dragonball villain that statement could actually apply to, as such he was the only one that could actually be killed by the Spirit Bomb.

    As with Buu’s parallels to Goku, this is another thing that the show doesn’t explicitly state, but it seems pretty obvious once you think about it.

  • Vincent Yu

    Beerus
    Vegeta
    Cell
    Freeza
    ???

    • NeptuniasBeard

      King Piccolo, they hinted to it a lot in Piccolo Jr’s placement

      • Vincent Yu

        Oh right. I forgot about him because I always thought Piccolo Jr was King Piccolo reincarnated.

    • Kaliaila

      Beerus
      Vegeta
      Cell/King Piccolo
      Cell/King Piccolo
      Frieza

      That’s my guess.

  • saturn0205 .

    Ha! Knew Buu wouldn’t make the Top 5!

    Up next, it’s the best of the worst! (though, if King Piccolo does end up there, then I’m just gonna have to take TFS’ word for it, as – like I’ve mentioned before – I have yet to reach his Arc in Dragon Ball).

  • Scarth Maheart

    Another thing that hurts Buu was the saga itself. For 2 main reasons:

    First:
    The “Adult” Gohan / Great Saiyaman arc lasted far too long.

    Second:
    During the course of the Buu saga all the supporting cast either disappeared, became non-entities, or turned into cowards who no longer risked getting involved. Krillen, 18, and Piccolo get the shaft the worst.
    The only side character who got any decent treatment was Mr. Hercule Satan (aka thin Yajirobe).

    I do like seeing the other non-saiyan characters get a chance to shine. They are actually my personal favorite moments of the entire series. This arc abandoned anyone who was not a Saiyan, a trend that sadly continued into GT and Super.

    Myself, this made initial watching of this entire saga hard.
    The sad thing is, none of these complaints are Buu’s fault. I love Fat Buu, and feel Kid Buu is a better “God Of Destruction” persona than Beerus. But since it all happened during Buu’s arc, it hurts my enjoyment of Buu.

    • Kaliaila

      You’ve been watching a different Super than I have I think. The supporting cast in Super has been getting a lot of development and screen time; they just not been the heroes of the show because they are not the main characters.

  • Some Guy

    Don’t get me wrong, Beerus is a fantastic character but he’s not a villain at all. He’s just a neutral force doing his job to balance things out. He isn’t really qualified to be on this list, let alone be in the top 5. I’m also surprised that you guys found Buu to be boring compared to one note villains like Cell.

    • TecXero

      Maybe the list should say “Antagonists” instead of “Villains”.

  • Apatheist

    If it wasn’t for that burglar, Mr Satan would have saved the universe.

  • Gojira007

    I’m not that surprised to see Buu miss the top five; in contrast to Freeza and Cell, whose transformations each in their own way inform the character (Freeza’s as an unfolding revelation of just how deep his power truly runs, Cell’s as an ongoing and progressive evolution), Buu’s are just too obviously random and don’t really serve to meaningfully develop his character, so much as completely re-write it each time (to say nothing of the fact that, without the anime filler to explain it ((and even then only so much)), “Pure” Buu doesn’t actually make any sense). Even if one finds each individual form of Buu worthwhile (and, like the Team, I find myself disinclined to much care for Super Buu after he absorbs Gotenks, Piccolo, and Gohan, while I’m actually a lot more bored by “Pure” Buu than they are), the way the transformations divide the character up into three distinct (and yet not distinct enough) entities can’t help but water down the whole.
    I do think it’s fascinating to compare and contrast the ways in which Editorial forcibly course-correcting the story for Toriyama impacts the Cell arc vs. the Buu arc, too, and while it’s only kind of on-topic to Buu himself as a character and as a villain, the Team themselves brought it up, so I figure I may as well get it off my chest. Specifically, I look at how it relates to Gohan; so much of the Cell arc remains focused on the idea of passing the torch from Goku to Gohan, because even as the villains change, that core thread remains effectively untouched. The Buu saga, though? The Buu saga ALSO has the pass-the-torch/next-generation theme going, but each transformation of Buu’s screws with that theme; at first it seems to be about Gohan again, then it tries to be about Goten and Trunks/Gotenks, then back to Gohan, and then finally, disastrously, back to Goku. That’s the part that takes the air out of the arc’s tires for me; there is no reason whatsoever for Goku and Vegeta to be the ones who face Buu in his final forms other than their popularity with the fans, and the decision to do just that, by way of the most frustratingly obvious of contrivances, can’t help but pull the rug out from under the arc. It’s a shame, too; the Buu saga contains some of my favorite narrative choices in the series, and some of its best moments and character arcs. But that central gutting of what the Cell arc had built up to, and what the Buu arc itself initially seemed poised to continue, poisons the whole well.

  • Viredae

    I’m wondering if the fatigue point is put in mind with or without the kai edition? As Kai essentially trimmed a lot of the fat in the series, I have to imagine that the dragging on must have been alleviated, or would be if they were talking about the original series.

    And so, if they were talking about the original series, does that mean Buu would be in the top 3 if we judge him based on the Kai version?

    • saturn0205 .

      Did the Buu arc even HAVE a season in Kai? I’ve never seen it, if yes. Always thought it ended after Trunks returned to the future.

      • NeptuniasBeard

        They did actually. It aired in Japan a while back and is JUST about to start on Toonami.

      • saturn0205 .

        Awesome! Thanks for letting me know.

      • Viredae

        it did, though it didn’t come out immediately after the cell arc, there was a break after it had been done for a while.

  • TecXero

    I can’t wait to see how well TFS condenses down the Buu arc into something more enjoyable and, overall, watchable. I agree on all points, so I don’t really have anything to nitpick.

    I would have liked to see Buu fight in the DBS tournament. Maybe Buu will get some love later in DBS.

    • Chaltab

      Well he’s gonna be in the all-universe tournament.

      • TecXero

        Ah, neat. Hopefully he brings some of that childlike terror that made the early Buu arc so good.

  • Kyle Lundquist

    Oh come on, the Buu saga’s pacing and execution was perfect, and Buu’s range of interest and possibilities was greatly explored, though I can admit that it could have been explored even further. And Super Buu is probably the best villain the DBZ series has ever had, he’s just such a chaotically fun force of nature to watch, and the transformations only make him BETTER, not worse. You’re simplifying the whole transformation thing way too much, Cell was more obsessed with perfection and supremacy, Super Buu was just motivated by destruction, satisfaction, and after some absorptions, pride in being the strongest. There maybe slight similarities, but these are still rather distinct villains, and Super Buu’s fight with Vegeto is probably one of the most satisfying fights in the entire series. I will admit, it’s because of this that I kind of find Kid Buu a bit of a downgrade in terms of villains. I mean, he’s great for all the reasons you stated, but after the scale and personality that Super Buu had, it just feels like an afterthought almost. I mean, I guess if they handled it a tiny bit differently, it could have felt like the FINAL final boss that you get after defeating the initial 1-3 stages of the final boss already (like FF VII or something), cause that’s the vibe I feel like I’m supposed to get from it, but in the end I thought Super Buu had a lot more stakes riding on him. Still, at least you put him in the top 10, although I’m surprised that nobody made a crack about how he, Cell, and Frieza all share those same “hole-ears” things, like what’s up with that?

  • Arena Emperor

    Can’t help but wonder how Buu’s placement might be different if Toriyama had stuck to his guns and let Gohan stay the hero. Do we get the watered down Gohan-absorbed Buu or even Kid Buu? Do we ever see Vegito? Does Vegeta stay dead since his story arc had come to a close earlier…at least until the wishing back of everyone? So many what-ifs…but 5 or 6 is pretty much right on for Buu. I’d put him ahead of Beerus if only because Beerus has such a small role outside of Super (one movie isn’t much…though it IS a memorable one), but the presumptive Top 4 of Vegeta, King Piccolo, Cell, and Frieza is pretty unimpeachable.

    • Alex Williams

      God you have no idea how much I want Gohan to have stayed the main hero than Goku. It really pisses me off that we possibly[ lost a great story because of a bunch of whiny morons who don’t know what makes a good story.

      • Hanamichi

        lol it’s the worse, Goku literally says that he didn’t defeat Fat Buu in his SSJ3 form because he wanted for those living on earth to learn to defend themselves…. and they never do so Goku ends up finishing the job anyway. so stupid

      • Alex Williams

        IKR! You’d think he’d at least develop in the same way as Vegeta and realize he is kind of a prick BUT NOPE SAME OLD GOKU HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAkillmeHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

  • Vyllckart

    Personally: I think buu is better than beerus……I also think that king piccollo is better than beerus…..and the androids……and pilaf………and red ribbon……and the ginyus

  • Hokage Ezio

    Buu has the vocabulary of a toddler, so I’d say it’s pretty easy that he doesn’t cut the top 5.

  • A Person With a Name

    Wait, so why is everyone saying King Piccolo will be in the top 5? There ARE still other villians to choose from aside from Beerus and the obvious top 3, right?

    • Volardelis

      The impact he had on the series. Prior to King Piccolo, Dragon Ball was more of a comedy adventure, while it did have some dark elements in it prior to KP (Tao for example), it was still somewhat light hearted until the King Piccolo arc, where it begins with the death of a major character and death soon followed for other main characters. Heck even Goku got his ass kicked twice in this arc, and he just defeated King Piccolo.

      To add on, KP is one of the few villains to succeed in his goals. He gets his wish from the dragon balls, conquers the planet and easily defeats everyone who stood up to him (including Goku). It turned Dragon Ball from the adventure to a battle for survival, something that would become a common theme.

      • Boosttergold

        To me, King Piccolo is the most successful, interesting and dynamic villain in Dragon Ball, and you’ve stated perfectly the reasons why. I know a lot of people prefer Vegeta, Cell and Frieza, but to me, none of them have the same effectiveness as a villain that King Piccolo does.

      • Chaltab

        Coming in 2018: Dragon Ball Z: Fukkatsu no ‘P’.

    • NeptuniasBeard

      They pretty much gave away 3 of the top 5 (Beerus, KP, and Vegeta) in other videos, and there’s no way Frieza and Cell are not going to be on the list. It’s just a matter of who goes where (except Beerus who is #5)

    • Chaltab

      I wouldn’t be surprised if King Piccolo *is* in the top three. The dude or his minions killed three main cast members, massacred most of the world’s greatest martial artists, overthrew the world government, *murdered Shenron*, and released every violent criminal from prison. It was the point where the stakes of the series changed from ‘which wacky idiot rules the world’ to ‘the villain wants to wipe out the heroes and everyone they love.’

  • Saumil Padwal

    I’m calling it
    #5 Beerus
    #4 Cell
    #3 Piccolo
    #2 Vegeta (why is he always #2 in every damn list !!!!!)
    #1 Frieza

    • sonic10chaosverse

      because that’s his place no matter what he tries,he always gonna be second best to somebody

  • MegaKat

    “Get ready for number five.” Ok, so I take that to mean Beerus. Which leaves Cell, Frieza, and Vegeta to round out the rest of the top five, plus one that I can’t think of. Really racking my brain on that last one, I’ll probably figure it out in a bit, smack myself in the forehead, and declare myself retarded for not thinking of it sooner.

    • Saumil Padwal

      Demon King Piccolo cause Kaiser is dumb

      • MegaKat

        Nah, I’m the one that’s dumb! Haha, they JUST mentioned that on the last video, too, that they’re doing separate entries for King Piccolo and Piccolo, durhurr! Like I said, smack myself in the forehead and declare myself retarded for not thinking of it. Thanks!! Hope you’re having a wonderful holiday so far!

      • Why is Kaiser numb? It seems like you’re taking a jab at his enjoyment of the original Dragon Ball, but I could be wrong.

      • Chaltab

        He means because of the disagreement Kaiser and Lani had about whether Daimao and Jr. should count as one entry. Saumil agrees with Lani apparently.

      • Huh. Oh yeah. Now I’m wondering why I didn’t understand that 2 days ago.

  • BunnySkinning

    Wait, didn’t Buu absorb 2 Kais? Muscle Kai and diabeetus Kai.

    • NeptuniasBeard

      A rare screw-up from them. You’d think Kaiser would have caught that.

      The only logical conclusion is that the manga is wrong

      • BunnySkinning

        Or they’re hitting that eggnog way too early 😛

      • Kaliaila

        It’s never too early.

  • Nathan

    Personally, I thought Buu was a really poor attempt to bring back the humorous side of Dragon Ball. Add to that Gohan getting nerfed, Gotenks….existing, and Goku coming back from death (eliminating all tension and impact of him dying) and Buu is easily my least favorite arc in aaaaall of the Dragon Ball Series (yes, including GT)

    • NeptuniasBeard

      > “Tension and impact of dying”

      > Dragonball

      Pick one

    • Hanamichi

      “Gotenks….existing”

      ughh dont remind me

  • Karthull

    Damn I would say anyone of buu’s forms by themself would deserve this high up, but all the buus put together to one spot and added in babidi’s whole thing with it, and the summation should have easily been top 3 maybe even number 1, as between the interesting things of babidi and his crew combined with buu’s 3 forms being quite distinctly different people, i say that hes deserving of 3 of the top 5 spots, and summing them all together should definitly be number one, or at least higher then beerus who should have beeen back at like 15 at best

  • TactilePope

    I hope Beerus is #5. While he’s a fantastic character, he just isn’t villainous, especially if we’re ignoring Super.

  • Jack

    To be fair, I think I’d have put Babidi and Dabua together rather with Buu. True they mostly just serve as the catalyst that brings Buu into the story, but I think they have some decent screen time on their own. Babidi is a unique villain in his own way with his magic powers and his power-hungry personality which stems from his petty insecurities like how he horrifically murdersSpopovitch for simply having no better reason to keep him alive but also to make himself feel superior. It also demonstrates Babidi’s general lack ofhindsight which is pretty amusing to watch as he struggles to control Buu and ultimately leads to his own end.

    Dabura himself has the makings of a strong villain, but never really gets the chance to shine on his own, serving as an effective right hand man. His dark powers make him dangerous and his cunning nature also leads to Vegeta’s return to the dark side.

    I also really love the interactions they have with the heroes, how they initially assume confident as lead the heroes into a trap, completely believing they have the upper hand. They’re constant underestimation of Goku, Vegeta and Gohan turns against them, their smug confidence quickly turning to increasing moments of shock as learn just how out of their own depth they are in facing the heroes. The progression through Babidi’ ship is equally entertaining and the battles between Pui Pui and Yakon are two of my favourite fights in the series, just for hilariously one sided they are for the villains, showing just how far Goku and Vegeta have come over the years.

    I just find them to be very unique among Dragon Ball villains for both simultaneously appearing as a credible theart, yet at the same time, being totally unprepared for dealing the Z Fighters

    • Karthull

      His cunning nature doesnt lead to vegetas feturn to the dark side, vegeta planned that all on his own before even meeting daburs and purposefully showed off that he wasnt pure like the others so dabura would catch it and tell babidi to make himself stronger. And as vor being totslly unprepared, daburas stone spit if he aimed at the saiyans first before they knew what it was he probably couldve taken them out, as he was about as strong as gohan at that time, probably around the strength of perfect cell just lacking his regeneration

      • Jack

        Um, yes it does. Dabura deliberately stopped his fight with Gohan once he saw Vegeta’s selfish nature. Vegeta simply allowed Babidi to bring back his evil nature. Nothing is there to suggest Vegeta purposefully started getting angry at Gohan’s fight. That’s just the way Vegeta IS anyway and Dabura picked up on this

        Except for the fact that they already saw his stone spit beforehand and even Vegeta pointed out that as long as he avoided that, he could beat Dabura. And, yes. They WERE unprepared as Babidi wasn’t aware that there were fighters that strong on Earth. Both he and Dabua actually believed that Pui Pui would be strong enough to beat them and they soon see just how wrong they were

      • NeptuniasBeard

        Vegeta says in his fight with Goku that he put on that whole act so that Babidi would control him, which he intentionally let himself fall under. He got the idea when he saw how powerful Spoopavich and Yami were. He pretty much pulled inception on Dabura

      • Kaliaila

        Yep, Vegeta did all of it intentionally, so that he could fight and defeat Goku. At which point Vegeta planned to betray Babidi and Dabura; and destroy the whole Buu machine. He just didn’t quite count on exactly how quickly his and Goku’s fight would fill it up.

      • Jack

        No, he only said he wilfully allowed Babidi to invade his mind. He never claimed that what he said earlier was just an act. He simply didn’t try to resist when it happened and regardless, Vegeta would get mad at Gohan’s poor performance anyway because that is the way he is

      • NeptuniasBeard

        Here’s the link to the fight, about 1:40 in if my time stamp doesn’t work

        https://youtu.be/NEWSo1CMOs0?t=1m40s

        He says he “made up his mind” following Goku’s fight with… I think his name was Yakon. This was before Gohan’s fight with Dabura. While Vegeta may be the type to openly criticize, it’s pretty obvious he was laying it especially thick to catch Dabura/Babadi’s attention

      • Jack

        I’d be a lot more impressed if you actually took the scene from the manga rather than the anime, as most people will tell you that the fight is strenuously dragged out. Not to mention, the English dub has to be taken with a grain of salt, as most of the dialogue is liable to be inaccurate or entirely add libbed in altogether. And no. It is NOT obvious that Vegeta was deliberately trying to trick anyone. He was interested in Babidi making him stronger, but he may have simply been planning on asking him in person. Nothing implies that it was a long con. Vegeta got mad because that;s the way he is and that was kinda the point

      • NeptuniasBeard

        Here’s the line from the manga, it’s the same

        http://www.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball/460/10

        I know DBZ is technically a kid’s show but even they have some measure of subtlety. They shouldn’t have to spell it out anymore than they already did that Vegeta intentionally drew Babidi’s eye so he can get that power boost.

        “but he may have simply been planning on asking him in person”

        Now you’re just being a contrarian. How is the idea of Vegeta asking Babidi-sensei for a power boost a more likely scenario than what you’re arguing against? Firstly, he knows the moment they meet Babidi face to face, he wouldn’t be able to get 2 words out before Goku or someone else kills him to stop Buu’s resurrection. Secondly, Babidi would have zero reason to believe that Vegeta was serious about being taken over or that it was even possible. Third, and most important, Vegeta as he was then would NEVER outright ask Babidi to make him stronger. He was desperate, but he still has too much pride to ask anyone for anything, especially from an obvious villain like Babidi.

      • Jack

        That scene only confirms what I said. That Vegeta allowed Babidi to posses him which Vegets confirmed but he doesn’t state that him being angry before was just a plot

        And no. I’m not being a contreian so much as you are confused over what I was even agruing. I know full well that Vegeta let Babidi posses him. What I’m disputing is whatever it not he pretended to get mad at Gohan in order to get Babidis attention

        And you certainly seem the contrary one as you Vegeta would be too proud to ask for help but Goku makes the same statement about the fact Vegeta let himself be possed

        And as for Goku killing Babidi in two seconds I have to assume your joking. Aside from Trunks when as anybody in DBZ actually just kill someone before they start talking?

      • NeptuniasBeard

        Oh my freaking Kami…

        Vegeta says he made up his mind to submit to Babidi AFTER GOKU’S FIGHT WITH YAKON. Which was BEFORE the fight with Gohan had even happened, which was BEFORE Babidi even considered Vegeta as a candidate. Vegeta already knew how Babidi’s powers work and would thus know exactly what to do to gain his attention. It’s not enough to know how to read that manga page, you need actual critical thinking skills to make it worth a damn. It really couldn’t be any simpler than putting two and two together.

        Not helping is that your only alternatives is that it was somehow “coincidence” that Gohan’s fight would set Vegeta off the way it did despite the fact that Gohan wasn’t in any real danger, Vegeta doesn’t really care about Gohan, and that it just so happened that Vegeta was going to ask Babidi to enslave him anyway. That what makes you a contrarian, because that’s a REALLY stupid argument. Dragon Ball is not the best written series, but that would be truly dreadful writing. It doesn’t stand under the slightest scrutiny and it makes Vegeta’s motivations a complete non-issue, which goes against the ENTIRE POINT of Vegeta’s character arc during the Buu Saga, but you stick by it because it’s the only way your “Dabura is clever” statement holds any water. Dabura, who is so minor that his video-game exclusive sister gets far more development.

        And on the subject of pride, you have no idea how pride works. Proud people know they need help, but outright asking is making their weakness explicit, so they either go it alone anyway, or do the next best thing and manipulate people into helping them without them knowing they needed it.

        It doesn’t need to be explicitly said because Toriyama isn’t writing for the lowest common denominator. You are likely the one person on this planet who thinks Dabura was the mastermind behind Vegeta becoming Majin

        To your last point, you gotta learn how expressions work, they’re not meant to be taken literally. No matter how many words Vegeta gets out, no one would stand there and let Babidi possess Vegeta when he’s standing RIGHT there is what I’m saying.

      • Jack

        Yeah he said. Did he also SAY that he only pretended to get mad at Gohan to get Babidi’s attention? Because if not, then that is still just speculation and not critical thinking, regardless of how frustrated you get about it. It really is as simple as putting two and two together. So why exactly are you having so much trouble?

        Except that is exactly how Vegeta WOULD act regardless, which you keep ignoring for whatever reason. He was disgusted by how weak Gohan had become and he was impatience with them making such slow progress. Not to mention he wanted to have his fight with Goku and Vegeta is certainly arrogant enough to think he could beat Dabura and Buu by himself. It’s got nothing to do with caring for Gohan as a person or thinking Gohan is I danger, so I don’t honestly see where you’re getting your facts from other than you dont seem to understand Vegeta very well and like to place different rational behind what I say. And no, I’m still not being a contrarian. You should really look up what that word means. Vegeta was still an arrogant asshole and he still acts like it
        Vegeta got help from Babidi no matter how you look at the situation and even Goku was disbelief that Vegeta would get help from. Which is exact what he did, so splitting hairs on the subject by saying he didn’t “ask” doesn’t amount to much, considering that Vegeta was disgusted by doing it regardless
        Not really, because making blanket statements like that(and much else of what you said) amounts to not more than stupidity

      • NeptuniasBeard

        Oh my, you truly are delusional. I never thought I’d meet some sort of rabid Dabura fan, of all people.

        But I have to admit, that you almost got me with your, how they say, “ignoratio elenchi”. But I’ve caught on to your attempts at misdirection, you’re certainly better at it than you claim Dabura is, ironically enough.

        Whether or not Vegeta was genuinely angry at Gohan is not important. The fact of the matter is that he wanted Dabura and Babidi to see him being angry/evil, which brings us back to the main point of discussion, that your claim of Dabura being the mastermind is again, complete nonsense. Vegeta wanted to be placed under Babidi’s control, he knew how to do it, and he executed it. All Dabura did was take advantage of the opening Vegeta practically handed him. That makes Dabura as much of a genius manipulator as shooting fish in a barrel makes someone a master marksman.

        But nice try though.

      • Jack

        Delusional in what way? How am I Dabura fan? I’m been strictly talking about Vegeta? That’s kinda of a stupid argument on your part. How am I misdirecting anything? You really do seem confused as what I’m even talking about

        And yes it is important because you are basically arguing whether or not Vegeta’s anger was genuine or a ploy. And yes, I can certainly argue that it’s real because Vegeta’s response is perfectly within his character. Say that you that take Babidi out of the equation, would Vegeta have behaved different? No, he would behave the same way, because that is the way he is as a person. Arrogant and brash. He dosent need to fake that. That’s why I disagree with your point, because Vegeta was acting like his usual self which goes against the idea that he was pretending

        I didn’t claim Dabura as the mastermind behind anything. Those are your words not mine and now your simply deflecting the argument, because I’m talking about Vegeta and his intentions. Aside from my first comment, I haven’t even brought Dabura up again. So, are you stupid or something?

        I didn’t try anything. I made my argument and supported it. You did not

      • NeptuniasBeard

        You can’t even keep your own argument straight? The whole reason we’re even having this discussion is because you said, and I quote

        “[Dabura’s] cunning nature also leads to Vegeta’s return to the dark side.”

        So I take my compliment back. You don’t even know what you’re arguing about anymore

        Your new argument would make sense if we were talking about Saiyan saga Vegeta, but not Buu Saga. He has mellowed CONSIDERABLY in all matter of non Goku related things. So no, if Babidi wasn’t there, he would have not gotten that angry, not over Gohan. At most, he would simply note that Gohan wasted away his potential, he wouldn’t have gone on to throw such a fit. I’m sorry you need to have everything literally said to you because you lack the ability to draw such simple conclusions due to a lack of understanding characters and story structure, but all the information given before Vegeta’s turn and during his fight with Goku make it clear to everyone BUT you that Vegeta was acting especially vicious because of Babidi’s presence. Ask anyone, ask your friends, ask TFS (Kaiser’s here, feel free to ask), ask the other people in this comment section. You are the island on this one.

      • Jack

        Well actually I can seeing as how I’m arguing against YOUR POINT. You know, the part where YOU said Vegeta was only pretending to get mad to get Babidi’s attention and I have repeatedly retorted that I don’t think was the case because Vegeta’s reaction is well within his character, so it seems genuine. But now you’re pretending like I’ve talking about Dabura the whole, when I never even brought him in the discussion. I’m directly addressing the point you made against my initial statement. I’ve been arguing about the same thing. So I ask again, are you stupid or something?

        Yet, he is still an evil person, otherwise Babidi couldn’t take control of him period. And it’s only by the end of the Buu arc do we see that only then has he become a good guy. Even Piccolo said that he would go to hell for his deeds

        Why do you pretend, like everyone else agrees with you, when not one person has even made any sign that they agree with you or disagree with me? Dude we are both an island in this because no one else has involved themselves. And it’s pretty sad of you to try and self insert you’re own opinion on people who you don’t actually know and just assume they will agree with you. How about YOU ask Kaiser yourself and actually find out if he agrees with you(since it’s that easy to ask according to you) and see what he actually says, rather than just assume he does instead of making your own argument better. You are a very ridiculous person

      • NeptuniasBeard

        Except it’s not within his character. The only time he acted anywhere close to that was way back with Nappa, LONG before he underwent his character development. Vegeta as a protagonist is critical of others, but he only ever gets THAT angry with himself. This is especially true after everything that happened with the Cell saga. So even if he wasn’t “pretending” to be angry, he was certainly acting angrier than he really was because he knew what Babidi would do. Look at it like this: You know someone specifically targets evil people, the people he controls becomes more powerful, and you WANT that power. What do you do? Well… YOU would try asking nicely and hoping everyone would just sit by and let it happen, but most people would try acting in a way to catch his attention without making their intentions known to those around them.

        Speaking of which,

        Are you sure you even watched this show? Babidi COULDN’T control Vegeta, at all. All he could do was give Vegeta the Majin power boost, which is EXACTLY what Vegeta wanted. Everything Vegeta did beyond that he did of his own volition. The only reason Babidi’s spell worked at all is because Vegeta ALLOWED it to. He targets evil people because they can’t put up much resistance, a non-issue in Vegeta’s case. And the reason he’s going to hell is because he let his body become corrupted by an evil wizard and killed a shitload of people right before he died. If you’re going to continue to bury your own argument, at least let me give you a shovel.

        Look at the comments again, one other person has disagreed with you, and one other person has agreed with me. And I don’t see anyone jumping in to say in to say “nah fam, Jack might be on to something”. Looks like it’s at least 2-0 and the ball is in your court. I’m not forcing my opinion on anyone, this is pretty common DBZ knowledge I’m spouting here, and you’re the only person I’ve seen who is arguing the opposite even though you only have some questionable claim that this is within Buu saga Vegeta’s character, which doesn’t hold to the slightest scrutiny and has no supporting evidence, both things I have repeatedly shown to have.

        And even ignoring all of that, the fact that your only counter scenario is that Vegeta would have just asked Babidi, which even ignoring the fact that asking someone for anything is even more OOC for Vegeta, would just be a very stupid plan on the basis that NO ONE would have let it happen, and Vegeta would have to be even stupider than his Cell saga self to think they would. Which means he just lucked out that Gohan’s battle with Dabura inspired a genuine rage the likes of which he hasn’t shown in about 10 years, and I don’t even think the combination of Majin Buu and Monkey D Luffy could stretch further than that logic.

        My argument, even if Toriyama himself were to say he agreed with you, at least has a logical flow. Vegeta prior to going Majin had a motive, proof of concept, and all the knowledge he needs with which to put his plan into action. Post going Majin, he completely disregards Babidi and has every intention of killing him and Buu after fighting Goku, meaning he was in complete control of his situation from the jump, and he outright confirms this with Goku. The only “hole” in my argument, and the entire basis of yours is that he doesn’t turn to the camera and say that he wasn’t really that angry with Gohan. Which in light of everything else I’ve presented is like trying to argue that someone charged with murder can’t be found guilty just because no one saw them actually do it. Even though they were caught on site, have a solid motive and was covered in the victims fresh blood when found by the police. It wasn’t EXPLICITLY seen, magically making it all circumstantial, and therefor all charges must be dropped. That is you right now.

        But by all mean, take another swing at it, I have today off work and nothing better to do.

  • Stache Hand

    Majin Boo! Haunted House.

    So, you know, the Pure form of Majin Boo (Kid Boo) caused mass destruction to the four galaxies in the Dragon Ball universe and killed almost all of the Kaioshin, the gods who created and protected all worlds, but it only took a Genki Dama formed by the North Galaxy to bring this malevolent force down for good. After blowing up the Earth, Majin Boo doesn’t really cause that many more world ending catastrophes, does he? Dragon Ball was known for upping the ante in plenty of regards in past stories. At least the good, fat Boo became a valuable member of the good guys’ team, in a heartwarming, cute sort of way. Super Boo, geez, weren’t Cell and Freeza enough for the Smug Super trope?

    • alexandre

      Well in the anime he downright rampage heaven while searching for goku, according to supreme kai kid buu would have kept destroying worlds

      • Karthull

        Well he did blow up more worlds, after earth he instand transmissioned to another world, boom, another, boom, and so on destroying quite a few worlds before finding goku and vegeta

    • Karthull

      As for enough of the smug supers, thats just a by product of having both overwhelming power and any intellect, once buu absorbed piccolo and gotenks he became more condescending, mostly due to their personalitys combined with his sudden genius from piccolo, before absorbing them he was a little smug but really almost as mindless as fat buu, just not as light hearted

  • Chaltab

    5. Beerus
    4. Cell
    3. Frieza
    2. Vegeta
    1. King Piccolo

    • Frieza only 3? He’s the iconic bad guy of the franchise. He’s the de-facto number one.
      So put Frieza at one, and push the rest one spot back and you have my list.

      • Saumil Padwal

        Also no. 2 should be Vegeta, Piccolo should be no. 3

      • Boosttergold

        Respectfully disagree, solely because Piccolo has such a monstrous impact on the series: he kills multiple main characters (I believe he’s the first to do so, but I’m not positive,) he introduces series main stays, and he actually succeeds in getting the Dragon Balls and getting his wish. Vegeta, with no disrespect to the character, comparatively, doesn’t have much success or kill anyone major throughout the series (Nappa, the Frieza lackeys like the Ginyus, Android 19, a Namekian village and the tournament audience I think?) I think Vegeta is a better character, I think Piccolo is a better villain.

      • Jacob Kristos

        I disagree. There’s just a maliciousness to Vegetas actions when he is in the role of a villain that none of the others seem to match. He enjoys it and likes letting everyone know and see that he enjoys it.

      • Boosttergold

        To each their own, my man. My reasoning is I just don’t think Vegeta is an effective villain in the sense that, to me, he doesn’t really succeed at anything he does. But different strokes different folks, that’s the cool part of Dragon Ball.

      • Chaltab

        So does King Piccolo! He televised a plan to slowly nuke the world over the course of four decades so the human race could stew in their fear.

      • Kaliaila

        Vegeta’s maliciousness is a shadow when compared to King Piccolo’s.

  • Kurt Reinkemeyer

    I’m not a huge fan of the Buu arc, but I do have to give it credit for Bibidi, Babidi, and Buu having somewhat cleverer theme naming than just naming everyone after food or musical instruments.

  • Kevin Swinson

    Also 2 AND 0 MUTHATRUCKAS.

  • Kevin Swinson

    To Everyone saying Beerus isn’t on the list:

    On Youtube they posted a BONUS EPISODE covering the Villains of DB Super. In it, they Confirmed Beerus is on the list, though they are only using his appearances in the movies.

  • Yami Marik “Melvin” Ishtar

    While I do agree that the buu saga dragged on for such a looooong time I just can’t stay mad at it for finally giving us a cannon instance that the damn spirit bomb finally worked and defeated the villain

    • Kyle Cotton

      I will forever maintain that the Buu saga should of ended with Vegeta’s sacrifice, the arc just falls apart from that point on and pushes beyond how many contrivances can happen to keep the arc going after that point. So much so they put a lamp shade over the whole even through future Trunks’ alternate timeline interact with Babbidi and dabura by having Trunks kill them before they can even start.

      • VenomMelendez

        Well yeah, Vegeta and Goku weren’t around to mess it up. :p

      • Kyle Cotton

        Or Supreme Kai and Kibitio by foolishly letting them steal the energy and giving it to Majin Buu.

    • Balmung6

      I like how even in the actual show, Goku goes “The spirit bomb didn’t even work against Frieza!” and I thought “Hell, didn’t even work on you, Vegeta!” xD

  • BlueMageBrilly

    I’m not really against Buu being 6, but I will say that this vid, while not over the top, might have focused too much on the negatives and not on the positives to give us your real vision of how you felt about this arc. You went over how unsettling the first form was briefly and touched on the parallel to Goku for his second form, but didn’t really go into the details overall with that or what new techniques and ideals that came from Buu’s existence.

    The Return of Goku, and the teasing of his instant loss, along with Super Saiyan 3 with Fusion tossed in the middle. While these aren’t part of Buu’s villainy at all, it’s still one of the “What effects this villain had on the series as a whole” things. A point, even a small one, should have been made about Buu’s arc making it seem like Gohan was going to be the main focus again, only for Goku to take the stand once more. Which set up the effect of Super becoming the Goku and Vegeta show, while Gohan has openly admitted that he has stopped training. Something that will hopefully be fixed because the lifestyle of being a bookworm still feels forced by Chichi even after all this time. His wife also felt like she was forced to be something she wasn’t.

    But that’s neither here nor there.

    Fusion was something that was heavily pushed at it from Buu’s creation and I feel like it deserved some focus, since it began to set the idea for various movies and even gave us a brief ‘scare’ of Goku and Vegeta staying fused forever. While that was completely copped out and became more of a weird trend than anything, it probably deserved to be touched upon at least briefly, since it was something only created by Buu’s position. Not to mention the ‘Vegito’ fusion being introduced because of Buu’s association with the Kais; meaning it would not have happened without him. Along with that, Buu’s positive attitude after the Hercule part of his arc and his position as Hercule’s best friend should’ve been touched on more as well. It shows another redeemed villain, though Buu’s redemption may have been more so from him expelling all his negative attributes instead of actually working through them, like Vegeta or Piccolo.

    Still, a good choice for Number 6.

    • alexandre

      Well we already had fusion technique with Piccolo and Gohan got the same unlock potential thing he got from the namek saga except this time he had more dignity before getting destroyed.
      Even the turn enemies into food thing had already being done by the time Buu showed up and Goku saying that he held back the first fight because he wanted the new generation to prove themselves gives buu way less impact on the series since a lot of his concepts was already used

      • hfjd88

        And those transformations basically amounted to nothing. Fusion has never beaten anything outside the movies. SS3 never really did anything, either. Gohan’s power up was just there to make Buu more powerful. Just more means to drag out this arc, like they were saying in the video.

      • alexandre

        Well vegeto’s fusion and ss3 goku could have straight up killed buu but goku apparently forgot about new Namek being able to resurrect his friends so he really didn’t need to get inside and free them which really extended the arc for no reason

      • BlueMageBrilly

        They aren’t dead inside Buu, though. That’s why they had to be freed, though they could have used the other Dragon Balls to free them I guess? But Buu would’ve just reabsorbed them.

      • alexandre

        Yes but vegeto could simply nuke buu, the friends die inside and he resurrect them. I mean he even showed to buu he can blow part of his body beyond healing

      • BlueMageBrilly

        That would be way too cut and dry, I think. No one would enjoy if that was just the solution to everything. Just kill everyone then revive everyone? That’d be boring. Plus they didn’t know about Fat Buu being good until then, so he wouldn’t get revived, and some people couldn’t come back twice anyways.

      • alexandre

        Is let everyone die and then bring revive them that better of a solution or story? It makes Goku look like an asshole who got the whole planet killed because he again didn’t take the threat seriously. By the time Vegeto shows up things are dire enough they should simply kill buu instead of going “but the dramatic I want to fight him as a bubblegum”

      • BlueMageBrilly

        While taking care of the problem as quickly as possible is one thing, killing everyone he supposedly cares about is another matter entirely. What you said was he should have, as Vegeto, killed everyone inside Buu instead of trying to save them and then just revive them all again. That would be really bad. A bad story to watch and, even worse, a bad solution to the problem at that point.

        Because if that’s how he solves problems, then what makes him that different from the villain? And who is to say he wouldn’t just start killing people to avoid problems and then revive them as a warning, or something? That’s how you make tyrants.

      • alexandre

        The difference is that he didn,t gamble the whole universe life when there is clearly a revive available.
        Like Vegeto couldn’t even know they were still alive inside buu and they still died when kid buu blew up the planet.
        Trying something goku and vegeta had no idea would work, ended up with their remaning family dead and still used the dragon ball anyway was not a good solution, Goku let himself die after raditz because he knew the dragon balls would resurrect him he could have stretched the same idea instead of doing a stupid story where the hero forgets the mcguffin the manga is named on for the sake of a tension that doesn’t exist since there was plenty of alternatives and they used the one where they pull shit out of their ass like reversing Buu’s absorption power and making buu capturing instead killing the bodies he absorbs .

      • BlueMageBrilly

        Vegeto did know about them still being alive. He could sense them. That’s why he let himself get absorbed in the first place.

        I’m not sayin’ him taking Buu out before all that Super Buu stuff happened would’ve been a bad idea on his part, but that’s kind of just how this story goes. It’s their character faults that move the story forward like that, y’know? Expecting them to not do that kind of thing would be silly and expecting them to go for the easy route and just kill him would be crazy.

        Even if it stretched the arc out more, I think everyone would’ve been put off by Vegeto just killing Buu and everyone else, then reviving them. One person is one thing, but everyone just being killed would be pretty over the top.

      • BlueMageBrilly

        I don’t see Piccolo dealing with Nail and Kami as “Fusion” as much as it is just straight up “Absorption.” The fusion we’re given kind of splits them apart after awhile, but Nail and Kami are forever part of Piccolo now and there’s no changing that… Far as we’ve been told, at least.

        Still, I think the concept of fusion and all that should at least be touched on, if only briefly, for the villain that forced it to be introduced. A lot of people tend to like Gotenks, too, up until he goes into SS3 I think and he’s almost his own character.

      • alexandre

        yes but the earrings fusion was supposed to be permanent too and aside vegeto everyone else seems to have one personality while kibito and the old witch got supplanted like nail. In retrospect there was a huge cop out in vegeto being a permanent thing

      • BlueMageBrilly

        Oh yeah, there was a definite cop out of Vegeto being permanent. I think he should have stayed that way, at least until the Dragon Balls unfused them or something.

        I was talking more about the Fusion dance now being a staple in the series as a whole, though, and what it could mean in the future. Really annoying that they keep changing the rules with the earrings, though.

        Oh, but the personality fusion wasn’t just ‘one personality’, though. It was a fusion of both, just like Vegeto was.

    • Deecks

      Honestly, it’s a really long arc, I’m not surprised they left some stuff out. The entire first part of the video is them gushing about Buu. I feel they emphasized Buu’s weaknesses as a villain somewhat because they had to explain why they placed him below their top five (which is looking to be some order of Beerus, Vegeta, Freeza, King Piccolo, and Cell). And even then, most of their issues bog down to “the arc lasts way too long, especially given that Buu keeps coming back from anything thrown at him” and “Super Buu post-absorptions loses the hedonist aspects to his character and becomes just another cackling archvillain.”

      • BlueMageBrilly

        I’m not surprised they left stuff out too, but I still think they should have touched on fusion and what Goku’s status meant for the series as a whole. Mostly because that’s what really came from the Buu saga overall. I’m sure we’ll get the stuff about Buu constantly coming back as a side-note to Vegeta’s video, something like “His death is played down way too much by Buu’s instant revival, but still made the scene very powerful and the true showing of how much Vegeta had grown. It would have been better if Buu stayed dead for at least another episode or two, but that’s not really Vegeta’s fault.”

        Still, maybe they were trying to make a point like they did with the Broly one. They iddn’t want to drag it out like Buu’s arc, so they just made it as quick as they could.

      • Deecks

        Nah, I think it’s more that they were trying to keep the talk on Buu specifically. This video isn’t much longer or shorter than any others, and it’s still pretty packed, pointing out everything from his hedonistic motivation, his designs, his entire backstory, his relationship with Mr. Satan, all his transformations, and so on. Fusion and the Gohan fakeout aren’t really things Buu “caused”, per se; they were reactions to him that would probably have been pulled out against any villain with Buu’s strength who appeared around that time. Both forms of fusion and the Old Kai powerup have nothing to do with Buu other than being used against him (compared to, say, Freeza and the Super Saiyan, which forms both Vegeta and Freeza’s primary motivation in the arc). They’re certainly interesting, though.

  • Turkey Vulture

    My main criticism of the Buu saga is that it’s too all-over-the-place, largely due to Toriyama having a more lenient editor during that period. Had his editor been as diligent as Toriyama’s previous editors, the Buu saga might have been way better than the A Town Called Panic-esque chain of events we ended up getting. At least Vegeta’s character arc finally got some much-needed closure.

  • Michael Johnson

    I guess while the Buu saga was great, you can’t deny the fan backlash and long it went on, I can see why it’s divided bit a great arc. Let’s just hope we never have to deal with fan backlash in Other….

    *Thinks of Neptunia*

    Oh crap baskets, the parallels between DBZ fandom and Neptunia fandom is scary. At least no one’s pulling SJW crap on us.

    • YuriFan

      I don’t get it. What’s wrong with the Neptunia fandom?

      • Michael Johnson

        A lot of things, mostly bias, self Incert males being the reverse DBZ thinking we need male main characters, what they forced the changes in Nepgear and Neptune, the list goes on and not how they have double standards:

        Hate the Memes, seems perfectly fine with doing it themselves.

        As for ‘badass female characters’ I will be the guy to say this but gender doesn’t matter if one’s ‘badass’ but it’s not the factor if the women of DBZ are involved in the story and right now, I really hope Toriyama isn’t hit with SJW nonsense because no female fighters that aren’t taking care of kids.

        That’s all I feel Everytime I hear what people dislike about DBZ we discuss this multiple times

      • YuriFan

        I still don’t get that Neptunia thing. Are you basically saying they are both the same when treating the opposite sex’s like used goods?
        I’m a Neptune fan so I don’t see the problem my self since the series is so self aware of it self.

      • Michael Johnson

        More or less, it all started with Nepgear being the protagonist of Mk2/RB2 but because of Nepgear not having a quirky personality like her sister plus the infamous but apparently loved Conquest ending people wanted Neptune as protagonist. Which led to Victory, Neptune was at her worse, Nepgear went from decently developed character to badly treated For a running gag of being worthless and crapped on by the story and characters. All because people hated her calling her a Sue that led to her mistreating. It’s subsided in Victory 2 and later spin off games but completely that Nepgear isn’t up to her sister.

        That’s where the Dragon Ball Z parallel lines from, they even reference Gohan in Victory/Re Birth 3. Gohan was gonna be the protagonist of the Buu saga but because everyone loves Goku, hands changed the mind of Toriyama affecting Buu saga greatly. Now people are fid up with Goku the same with the saiyans. Trunks is getting called a Mary Sue, a Mary Sue! Even TFS called him that during their XenoVerse play through. It’s that bad.

        But the fandom, I’m not sure what they want. Complaining about the games not fully voiced, the jokes and humor, Neptune’s status as protagonist, the translations, no one gets to do anything because of Neptune as protagonist, and that male protagonist I brought up. But they aren’t taking actually action. More art comes out of the CPUs than even the Makers or villains because people want to live their Waifus, which gives birth to the Self Insert male fics where every single one is a copy pasta of the same plot. They aren’t tired of it, they encourage them even more. Now add getting triggered by Vert’s VA changing and that sjw comment, the community is more messed up thsn the niche market they complain about.

    • Kr1spness

      I like how DBZ fans all agree they wish the well written bad ass females would continue being relevant and not just mothers without calling Toriyama sexist. It’s legitimate criticism but the real reason is that everyone becomes irrelevant if you’re not a Saiyan and Pan came too late. Now we’re getting 18 back so that’s exciting.

      • Deecks

        I think the breaking point for a lot of people was Resurrection F, where Krillin makes 18 stay behind even though she’s much stronger than he is, and Super clarifying that Videl loses the fun tomboy tsundere parts of her character entirely.

        Really, though, terrible utilization of the post-Saiyan Saga cast was a pretty significant weakness of Resurrection F overall. You’d think it’d be a flat-out, all hands on deck, everyone-together situation, enough that even Master Roshi steps in. Which would be acceptable (a movie only has so much screentime), but when the recap arc does it… not so much.

        Of course, I think what actively killed them is that those arcs of female characters being babymamas usually took the form of “they met each other, there was a timeskip, and now they’re a couple and have a kid with a power level of 5000”, and even after that, there aren’t many scenes of them actually being affectionate and loving with their husbands.

      • Kaliaila

        I think Krillin asks 18 to stay behind specifically because she is stronger than him. Krillin knows that if he and the others could not stop Frieza and his men then their daughter would need her mother to protect her as best as could be.

  • Peter Smith

    Chi-Chi didn’t make the list?

    • Taher

      What are you saying?!
      Who do you think is the tentative #1 choice?

      • Ken

        Vegeta
        I thought so from the first entry…and it was all but alluded to in the most recent one

      • Taher

        T-that was a joke…

      • Pakari

        Obviously, Maron is number 1. Her boobs are weapons of mass destruction!

      • Taher

        How could you say such awful things about Krillin’s little angel? Child pornography is illegal. Take your Loli stuff somehwere else…

      • Pakari

        I’m talking about the OTHER Maron. The one from the Garlick Jr. sub-saga.

      • Taher

        Who did you think I was talking about? 😉

      • Pakari

        Considering you were talking about child pornography, it’s pretty obvious.

        You’ve managed to talk yourself into a corner.

      • Taher

        Dammit. I had a joke in mind but it wasn’t a good one and you didn’t understand either…

      • Pakari

        Also, remember I’m talking about Maron. M A R O N.
        Krillin’s daughter is named Marron. M A R R O N.

      • Egg_Runner

        ohhhhhh, i understand everything now

      • Ajay Paulose

        Is it weird that their names are so similar. Sounds like something that TFS might crack a joke about.

      • Pakari

        Maron and Marron having similar names is purely coincidental. “Marron” is French for “Chestnut”, much like Kuri (from Kuririn, AKA Krillin) is Japanese for “Chestnut”.

  • Lewis Cowen

    Do people think that Kai makes the Buu saga better?

    • Turkey Vulture

      Well it’s certainly shorter than it was in 1996, so the arc fatigue’s not as bad.

    • Still, the original story is the problem. As they said, throughout the story arc Buu transformed form an intriguing villain to a run-of-the-mill murder machine.
      And while there is a theme to be found in Buu’s different forms (them being different phases of childhood of an overpowered kid), that’s where it ends.In the end, Goku won against a kid who threw the universe’s largest temper tantrum.

    • Lupu

      It kinda does, removing the useless fillers that drags on fro too long.

    • Bob Roos

      I haven’t seen the original in Japanese, but the Japanese Kai is definitely a lot better than the English Buu in Z. A lot of the filler is gone, a lot of which are shots that didn’t add to the story at all, like Dende and Satan flying around everywhere. And I like the music score a lot more. Funimation’s Fat Buu theme from Z is just not all that menacing, Fat Buu just doesn’t really feel all that threatening due to the childish xylophone music in English Z.

      The arc still has a lot of story-wise problems that no Kai can simply fix (pun intended), especially the ridiculous amount of wasted potential and storylines that just don’t really get resolved or go anywhere, but the pacing is a lot better, and the fight scenes a bit better. Kai sometimes speeds up fight scenes compared to Z, I don’t know if they added frames in between or simply play the original at more frames per second, but it works pretty well to make the fight scenes a bit more dynamic.

    • In the manga mostly everything is better, so since Kai is closer to the manga than the original anime… yes.

  • Invghost

    People are suggesting Beerus is next. They did a whole video explaining why super isn’t part of this list, yet people still say it? It’d be lame as hell if they put him in this list, since super was so shit.

    • Turkey Vulture

      TFS implied that Battle of Gods’ depiction of Beerus would be next on the list.

    • Legorhin

      they say at the end that Beerus is next…

      • Invghost

        So they’re breaking the rules of their own list. Lame.

      • The movie counts.

      • BlueMageBrilly

        “Battle of Gods” and “Resurrection F” are not part of Super. They are their own separate movies and their only association with it is the “Movie Recap” arcs made for the anime, which a majority of people agree to be a waste of time and are easy to ignore. The movies themselves are more like the door to Super, not being part of it themselves. They go over this in their ‘Super Villain Special’ that came out a few days ago.

        It’s not against the rules and no one expected them to ignore those two movies. They’re just going to ignore how the Movie Recaps affected the way the characters were portrayed in the initial showing.

      • Kevin Swinson

        They’re only using his appearances in the movies to judge his place on the list.

      • Lupu

        We get it, you hate things, stop it now,

      • They explained it in their Super video. They only count Beerus on his movie appearance. That’s why he’s number five.
        If they would’ve counted Super along with it, he would’ve been lower in the ranking; since Super did kind of demote him to a rival/gag villain.

      • Kaliaila

        He would still be a villain in the BoG arc. I wouldn’t call him a gag villain or rival in super; maybe a gag mentor.

    • Lord Meezus

      Did you forget, Beerus was apart of Z before Super?

  • Keeks

    So this confirms Beerus as #5 right?
    I don’t really get why Buu is that high on the list since you guys mostly pointed out deficits his character has. Despite the *possibility* for interesting moments in the *future*, to me, he didn’t add enough to the franchise to be that high on the list. However, it is your list!
    Personally I don’t like the Buu saga. As a character, Buu grows more and more interesting after the whole saga, but I experienced the saga itself as a waste of time. So. Many. Episodes. Defeating him over and over. I like the role he takes in the movies and in Super, he’s a strong sidecharacter whos strength isn’t forgotten (fight with Beerus) but who isn’t in the Z-fighters’ league anymore. That gives him space to become the funny, greedy, one-dimensional but strong side character he is. The role suits him. IMHO.

  • Inuzuna

    wait they mentioned GT being on the list and I remember in one of their let play episodes them saying they did research on Rildo but he hasn’t been listed. so either the machine mutant general isn’t on the list, or he’s somehow in the top 5…
    I mean I like Rildo but if he’s really in the top 5 I will be shocked beyond belief, though I’m guessing he didn’t make the cut and thats why they did the “Wen Rildo” joke in a previous entry

    • Kevin Swinson

      Wen Rildo was a joke. Rildo’s….not AWFUL but Dragon Ball has alot of villians. Notice only 4 of the 13 movie villians made it on the list, and were all near the bottom.

      • Inuzuna

        I kinda mentioned that it was a joke in my comment

  • Merzeta

    So on the top five we got
    5: Beerus
    4: Cell
    3: King Piccolo
    2: Vegeta
    1: Freeza

  • ירון לביא

    King Piccolo > Frieza and Vegeta

    • Turkey Vulture

      King Piccolo > Everyone else

  • Sailor Mewni

    It’s obvious who it is.

    Vegeta, Beerus, Cell, Freeza, and King Piccolo. All that remains is the order. My guess is:

    5. King Piccolo
    4. Cell
    3. Vegeta (due to later development)
    2. Beerus/Freeza (wither could go in either spot)
    1. Beerus/Freeza (either could go in either spot)

    • Okamizen

      my guess is actually
      5. king piccolo
      4. Beerus
      3. Cell
      2. Vegeta
      1. Freeza

    • Ajay Paulose

      Didn’t they just strongly imply Beerus is next

      • Gary Jonn

        I’m guessing that them showing a clip of beerus was to trick us, and its actually vegeta, because vegeta’s character arc closes when he sacrifices himself to kill buu

      • Kr1spness

        If they’re not using Super to judge Beerus then he doesn’t do anything really villainous in BoG. They already mentioned it wasn’t until Super that we see him kill someone, instead he allows Earth to be saved in RoF. King Piccolo may not be as powerful but the dude was a seriously well written villain, it’d be a shame for him to be below Beerus who is a better character, but not necessarily villain.

    • Aaronrules380

      given the note at the end of the video, it’s almost certainly either Beerus or Vegeta, and most likely Beerus

      • Kaliaila

        Beerus is the only person shown in the end shot. And Buu is the one who causes issues in BoG, to upset Beerus. The final line of this one was that how Buu behaves ties into number 5. It’s pretty much a given now.

    • Kevin Swinson

      I would swap Beerus (2) with KP.

    • Karthull

      I wouldnt be surprised if beerus was 1. Or 2. with the ridiculous love tfs has for him but I’d still be mad, hell I’ll be mad at this point just seeing him this high up the list at all, passing buu and piccolo jr, much better and more fun characters, maybe I’ll like him better once I watch super but so far judging from the 2 movies alone everything about himfeels more forced then anything else in the entire series

    • Gamey Geemer

      It seems more obvious that it’s going to be
      5: Beerus
      4: Vegeta (because his role as a villain was strong, but he really came to shine after he wasn’t a villain anymore otherwise he would be in the number 2 spot)
      3: King Piccolo
      2: Cell
      1: Freeza (Because who else would it be)

      • Kaliaila

        I’m with this 90%. I could also swap Cell and King Piccolo and not have an issue.

      • Gamey Geemer

        Yeah, I mostly put Cell above King Piccolo because of everything from his appearance in Ginger Town and when he absorbed #17.

      • Aryc11

        I’d think it’d be debatable as to whether or not Cell is at that number one spot with Freeza directly behind. I mean, Cell spawned the Father-Son Kamehameha, caused Gohan to go Super Saiyan 2, and straight up ATE an entire town when he first showed up. Freeza gave us base Super Saiyans and was Space Hitler.

  • Okamizen

    buu not in top 5? Buu make you dead!
    Loving the list guys can’t wait to see how the top 5 pans out.

  • Sailor Mewni

    I think I finally figured out why the Buu Saga is my favorite. First, it introduced two of my favorite characters in the series; Videl and Buu. Not only that, but unlike a lot of villains, Buu managed to undergo some very nice character development, and did so during his run as a villain. That helped make him stand out more as a character and as a more complex villain than most, and the whole thing about him being like “a naughty little child that didn’t know any better” made Buu’s motives unique and very engaging, and learning about morality from Hercule Satan helped with both becoming more interesting. That, plus his jolly personality, managed to be both creepy and surprisingly adorable at the same time, which made him rather engaging.

    Then we have Super Buu and the stuff he caused. I think he was a bit more interesting than Cell to be honest, but not as engaging as Fat Buu. Super Buu being the evil from Buu worked very well, and in a nice twist on the Kami/Piccolo fission, the evil one managed to absorb the good one. This left him with the inability to harm Mr. Satan, which alone gave him a lot more depth than most Dragon Ball villains. Then you have his absorption forms, and this is where I think, again I enjoyed him more than Cell. Each were different, from cocky with Gohan’s power, to clever with Piccolo’s it felt like one that truly grew as they absorbed more. Not only did he just strait up kill most of the population of the planet, he. Also, I think being turned into candy and being eaten is a MUCH more terrifying way to go than just being absorbed by Cell. Heck, if Vegeto is any indication, you are still full conscious when your being eaten, so that means you would feel him chewing you up and swallowing.

    Finally, we have Kid Buu, and while he is destruction for destruction’s sake, he is still rather good. He comes off more as a feral animal who can destroy planets, which was pretty cool. Plus, since he was defeated by a Spirit Bomb, which was one of Mr Satan’s greatest moments as well, it was EVERYONE who helped beat Cell. Not just Goku, not just Gohan, but EVERYONE was able to help since it was the Spirit Bomb. While the least interesting of the Buu’s I am still much more invested than I was with Cell.

    Then aside from Buu himself, we have some of the best moments in the series, such as Vegeta blowing himself up, and other such moments that are in my favorites. Heck, most of my favorites scenes come from this saga. Not only that, but it’s combination of comedy and action felt like a perfect mix of the classic Dragon Ball and Z

    I honestly…would have left Cell out of the top 10, and I’ll talk about why when you get to him.

    • Al-Khafid I. Walker

      I liked your response but I have to ask why is Videl your favorite?

      • Sailor Mewni

        While she is not my #1 favorite, she is #4, and my favorite female character. I love her sense of justice and that she actually takes down the common criminals, which helps make her come off as a realistic character in power, while a bit superhuman due to being able to fly, her strength does feel very human, which helped make her and her dad (my 6th favorite btw) stand out. I also and a huge sucker for Tsundares. Plus she is rather hot. I love short hair on girls, and it matches her tomboyish personality perfectly. She is also not a spoiled bitch like one might think due to her dad. She actually hates his fame, which gave her a bit more interesting goals to try and show him up. Also, I am not a fan of most Dragon Ball females. Aside from Videl, Launch, and 18….and…maybe Bulma, I really am not a fan of the female characters in this series. Ironic it has the opposite flaw of Sailor Moon. That has tons of good female characters but some rahter dull males, opposite with DBZ…I wonder how a crossover would go if Akira and Naoko agreed to colaberate on a project with the chracters…oh! Sorry got a bit off topic. Yeah, aside fom her bitchy attitude when first revealed, which, even then I do enjoy due to the tsundere development she got, I have to say Videl is one of my favorites

        So yeah, attractive, really enjoyable personality, a great fighter, yeah, she’s the kind of lady I like.

      • Ajay Paulose

        That doesn’t sound at all ironic.

      • Ajay Paulose

        In my opinion she’s not great on her own but plays off really well with Gohan and his mother. The Satan family is just hilarious in general.That said Videl was pretty pointless in the Buu arc.

      • Kr1spness

        It’s hard to say she’s my favorite because she does so little, but personally I liked her the most when she first appeared as this determined daughter of the man who killed Cell who falls for that story enough to throw herself into her training and vigilantism to become a hero who worked hard instead of being born with power. Unfortunately, she’s useless and quickly becomes a wife for Gohan, but she’s still great in the slice of life episodes.

    • Lupu

      Videl? Really? I find her attitude and personality annoying.

      • Sailor Mewni

        I find her personality very interesting. Then again, I am a huge sucker for Tsunderes, plus her being a tomboy makes her more fun to be around. I didn’t enjoy her at first, but after she stopped bitching at Gohan, I really grew to like her.

      • Al-Khafid I. Walker

        Ok wow that’s fair I like her for being a female fighter and her interactions with Gohan. Her overall personality just comes off to me as kinda scrappy and somewhat arrogant which I couldn’t really blame her growing up with Satan. Then with her later development it just seemed like she could have had more time like she didn’t do much in the Buu arc. Oh and if you are talking about crossovers just look at fanfiction.

      • Trevor Bohling

        I’m a huge fan of Videl as well, and for me it comes down to two things. For one, I absolutely love the Great Saiyaman mini-arc of Z – you get to see Gohan acting on his sense of justice while still balancing a daily life, and overall the entire storyline is very lighthearted after the much heavier Cell Games – so anybody with a major presence in the arc gets bonus points. And secondly, she goes through a character growth period very fast that helps to elevate her as we see her work through her suspicions, frustrations, and overcome her previous limits.

      • Karthull

        I found videl annoying at first but gradually got better to the point of her being very fun and likable

    • Yay, someone who enjoys the Boo Arc! 🙂

      I like it too. It’s not my favorite, as I still prefer the Saiyan and Freeza Arcs over it (and that’s from DBZ… most of my favorite Arcs are from DB so Boo Arc really isn’t very close to being my favorite), but I still really, really like it. I certainly like it more than most fans do, that’s for sure.

      And I loved all the points you brought up. Really good stuff that made me appreciate this Arc even more. Thank you 🙂

    • Kr1spness

      I can’t say it’s my favorite, but it also might be. I can’t choose, they’re all unique enough to make me like the aspects that differ between them. I agree wholeheartedly with TFS here, if it were shorter and more cohesive, say in an abridged format, it might be my favorite arc. I even like the Saiyaman stuff, and how everything seems to begin by following a cliched route with Supreme Kai with surprise after surprise I did enjoy it. Can’t wait for Kai to start up again now, or for next year when TFS starts the buu arc.

    • Egg_Runner

      man this is long :/

    • Kyle Lundquist

      Pretty much agree, Super Buu made the idea of absorbing opponents a lot more interesting, and I also find his brand of evil to be a lot more entertaining for some reason. And yeah, this arc definitely brought out the best moments of the series, like Goku vs Majin Vegita, SSJ3 Goku (yeah I like that transformation, so what?), the fusions, and the most ultimate spirit bomb…in DBZ anyway. I can’t wait to relive this saga in Kai in the next coming months.

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