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  • Selonianth

    Sorry, but I’m with Lani on this one. King Piccolo and Piccolo are the same person.

  • Michel van der Linden

    No, king piccolo and piccolo jr should NOT have been one entity. Im glad they’re kept seperately.

  • lost

    Only six spots left so… Guessing King Piccolo, Freeza, Vegeta, Cell, Buu, and either Bobbity or Beerus depending on whether Super’s in or not in about that order.

  • sonic10chaosverse

    so vegeta is on the list…*shoots the party cannon and starts celebrating* then again considering that you included piccolo it was pretty obvious that he was going to be here,then again maybe you where referring to other villain *shrugs* #dbcember

  • Pakari

    It’s too bad he aims as bad as he fights, he missed his vital organs.

    • Roger Smith

      ALL OF THEM!?

      • sonic10chaosverse

        yup,every single one

  • Fulmen Draco

    So lets see we still have in chronological order
    Vegeta
    Freeza
    Cell
    Buu
    Beerus

    also technically yamcha and tien could make the list

    • Andyjoe522

      You’re forgetting King Piccolo, who I predict will be in the top three.

  • Chaltab

    Kaiser’s right. Jr. may have many of the Daimao’s memories but he’s not the same person. King Piccolo was incarnate evil, but this Piccolo has free will and the capacity for goodness.

  • MusubiKazesaru

    Here’s hoping that Beerus stays out of the top 6. Honestly I’d have put him lower down already.

  • Invader_Jim

    Did Taka say mong or monk? I like to think it was mong.

  • Wade Seewald

    he should higher then buu he has way more impact then buu

    • Roger Smith

      This is the top “VILLAINS” though. Piccolo is a pretty damn good one, but he does turn around to be a staple hero, rather than Vegeta, who tends to hover around Anti-Hero a lot more than Piccolo past the Saiyan saga.

    • Hanamichi

      as a villain? Jr killed no one while Buu killed almost all humans and destroyed earth

      Anyway im pretty sure we’ll be seeing Buu today

  • Tyler

    Please don’t tell me Beerus is going to be number one again.

  • saturn0205 .

    The exchange between Lani and Kaiser at the end… LMAO!

  • GreatWyrmGold

    Man, young Piccolo looks weird.

    • saturn0205 .

      Only because of Toriyama’s old animation style.

      • GreatWyrmGold

        I’d say it’s more because of his design changing.

    • MusubiKazesaru

      Both him and Goku had this sort of lanky-ness to them in the 23rd Tenkaichi arc that was a bit awkward compared to how we’re used to them after the time skip.

    • sonic10chaosverse

      i say it was more they used rather that the animated piccolo but original dragon ball piccolo also looks a little weird

  • Taher

    What is it with the way Kaiser says “Goku”?

    • saturn0205 .

      Japanese pronunciation. He pretty much always says it that way.

      • Taher

        I doubt that’s Japanese. I have watched the subbed version of all db series and they say it like Goku, not Goku~~~
        It is sretched a little when chichi or someone says his name with ‘-kun’ but it still isn’t as stretched out as Kaiser does it. The others at TFS don’t say it like that either if I’m correct.

      • saturn0205 .

        No, it’s only Kaiser, who serves as the “purist” of the group (based on what we’ve heard from the Let’s Play channel).

      • Taher

        Yea I know he is the purist but this isn’t ‘pure’ really. It doesn’t seem at all

  • Robin Thrush

    Waitaminute! Piccolo Jr. was not the character that established Goku’s trend of sparing “villains,” he’s been doing that since the first story arc with Oolong and Yamcha then Tien and Chiaozu. He also kept letting Pilaf and co. go over and over. Piccolo Jr. is only special in that he was on Goku’s level and still wanted to kill him without a doubt at the point Goku spares him. I used to think Gokue was a total idiot for not killing Frieza until forced to (try to kill him), but after watching the first series, it’s apparent that it kept working for him to let powerful enemies live to become friends/allies.

    • Brendan Slack

      Goku doesn’t care if the people he spares eventually become allies. He thrives on having a strong opponent to challenge him, and that is his main motivation for sparing his foes.

      • Robin Thrush

        I wasn’t talking about his motivation, I was just pointing out that Piccolo Jr. didn’t start the trend and it hadn’t backfired on him until Frieza.

  • RandomShinigami7

    Huh. Not gonna lie, I expected Piccolo Jr to be higher than King Piccolo. Because of how much more he gets to do in the overall series, as well as the whole redemption arc for him that you guys mentioned.
    Then again, I’m just assuming that King Piccolo is on this list. …he is on the list, right?

    • Bobo257 (Bobo257)

      Piccolo Jr is the better Charakter but had way less impact as a villian. He showed up only for the Tournament. King Piccolo on the other Hand was responsible for the 1. murdering in the whole series which includes a couple of main charakters and Goku wasnt able to beat him at first.

    • Hanamichi

      Most people consider King Piccolo the best DB (not Z) villain for several reasons but at least one that I can give you is that his arc was a real game-changer in the series, main characters started getting killed and the story took a darker turn. And actually, even though it didnt completely revert back to old DB, Piccolo Jr’s arc was a lot lighter considering he caused no deaths at all, which is something that ends up setting him very appart from his father and simultaneously makes him less villanous

      • Chaltab

        I think King Piccolo is the best villain period. Even Frieza at his worst was just repeating King Piccolo’s greatest hits, down to killing Krillin. King Piccolo was *creative* in his evil, like releasing every murderer on Earth from prison and setting up a lottery to slowly nuke each region of the world over four decades to let humanity marinate in its terror.

  • Andrew

    Oh shit, haven’t signed into Disqus in a minute! Lemme predict my Top 6 Villains and tell you why!

    6) Vegeta
    5) Demon King Piccolo (optionally add Drum and Tambourine with him)
    4) Beerus
    3) Cell
    2) Buu (optionally add Babidi gang)
    1) Freeza/Frieza

    I love Beerus and think he’s super entertaining. He…just doesn’t belong in the top 3. Yeah he’s super fucking strong which adds to his appeal, but due to his relative recency and the strength of the others in terms of popularity, I can’t say with good conscious that he’s better than Buu, Freeza, and Cell.

    OG Piccolo is higher than Vegeta because of how much he was able to get under Goku’s skin. Goku and Vegeta had a better fight but Goku had more of a personal grudge against Piccolo. I could see TFS rank Vegeta higher because of his popularity, though we shall see in the next week!

    I don’t know if Babidi will be in the countdown with Buu so I put him there just in case since he birthed the deadliest motherfucker to exist in Dragon Ball. Why is Buu higher than Cell you may ask? Well, that’s because of the tiny fact that HE KILLED 99.99% OF EARTH’S HUMAN POPULATION! How can you possibly overlook that? Cell is brutal and scary but Buu has so much going for him despite his rather simple personality. I’d rank him higher than Freeza if it weren’t for the fact that Freeza got his own movie. Now that this list is winding down, I have a lot of stake in Buu and would hope that TFS puts him in the Top 3.

    • Invader_Jim

      Beerus doesn’t belong on the list full stop. But I don’t doubt that he will be.

      • Matthew Hill

        He will be. TFS already mentioned that he will be. I think it was in the honorable mentions video for Super’s villains.

  • alexandre

    man piccolo was skinny back then

  • Lone

    WEN DILDO
    wait

  • Paul Dunbar

    I wouldn’t call it a “redemption” if the character wasn’t good from the start. More of a “demption”, if you will.

  • ShonenJUMP Lover

    hmmm didnt think he’d get his own spot on the list, well i guess that answers who else is on the list, but i hoped time breakers would be on this list somewhere

  • TactilePope

    OK so Vegeta’s on the list then. Good for him.

  • Kevin Swinson

    I wager the rest of the list goes as follows:

    6. Buu
    5. Beerus
    4. King Piccolo
    3. Cell
    2. Vegeta
    1. Freeza

    • Runic

      They said no Beerus.

      • Zack Osbourne

        “Beerus and Frieza are both on the full list. While the latter was a given, the former has been of debate among some viewers.”

        Straight from the video about Super’s villains. So no, you’re wrong.

      • Chaltab

        Way to miss the context.

        He meant Beerus and Frieza are on the list *of Super’s villains*, so technically they had to be considered in that discussion.

      • Kevin Swinson

        “Full list” List of like, 3 and a half? Well that would sorta be a given. Pretty sure they meant the full DBcember list.

        Plus the entry on Buu heavily implies he’ll be 5.

      • Chaltab

        Which wasn’t out when I made that comment yesterday. Either way I wasn’t saying Beerus wouldn’t be on the list, just that the line Zack Osborne mentioned didn’t mean what he implied it did.

        Though honestly I still disagree if only because I don’t consider Beerus a villain.

      • Zack Osbourne

        No point arguing now, Beerus is all-but-confirmed. That being said, considering the Super list was a side episode, “Full list” absolutely means the main one.

        Way to miss the context.

      • Kaliaila

        Actually, they said the opposite. Beerus from the Movie Battle of Gods would be appearing in the list, but not his version or any villian from Super.

    • Anna

      I actually think King Piccolo will be higher than Cell. Primarily for that all-important “influence on the franchise”. Because if you didn’t divide the series on the arbitrary Z line, you would say that Dragonball Z started with King Piccolo. He’s the villain that set the format that all the following arcs would follow. Prior to him it was the wacky adventures of Goku. The tournaments were ACTUAL tournaments (starting with Junior they all exist to frame other, bigger conflicts), the Red Ribbon Army was a hero’s tale. But Piccolo changed the series forever.

      • Kevin Swinson

        Solid points, King Piccolo really did set the tone for how future arcs would be constructed and he’s an amazing villain. I think Cell edges him out because of the impact he had on both Vegeta’s and Gohan’s character arcs, as well as being part of some of the most iconic moments in the franchise. It’s a tossup between those two really for 3rd.

    • Kaliaila

      I would swap Vegeta and King Piccolo; for a similar reason to why Piccolo Jr. is down here; he doesn’t remain a villain. At this point we are at a point where he has more arcs as a good guy than he does as a bad guy.

      Frieza, King Piccolo, Cell, Vegeta, Beerus, and Buu et al.

      • Kevin Swinson

        I’d agree IF I thought they would only consider his appearance in the saiyan arc for the list, but they look at his character all the way Buu (which I think they will) he’s prolly the best developed character of the franchise.

      • Kaliaila

        After about 1/2 through the Namek arc Vegeta really stopped being a villain and became more of a rival. Even in the Buu saga he wasn’t a villain.

    • YuriFan

      My guess Dabora and Babidi are 6. Beerus doesn’t count.

      • MusubiKazesaru

        I’m hoping they’re still on it, maybe they’ll just get thrown in with Buu (which I think is wrong given Buu’s variety all on his own) to make the whole thing work because they’re a bit tight on space now. If that ends up being the case, I’d have rather them have cut the current #25.

    • abcwhatever

      What about Tien Shinhan?

      • Kevin Swinson

        Tien’s a great character but he doesn’t really have much of an impact on the franchise as a villain, his great moments come later. At that point he was really just breaking thumbs for Shen, who’s….not that impressive as far as villains go in my opinion.

  • BunnySkinning

    Wait, so Piccolo had a conversation with Kami in Namekian, but couldn’t understand Nail when they met on Namek?
    Could it be? A continuity issue in the abridged series? Tisk, tisk 😛

    • Lost in the Music

      it could be a different Dialect of Namekian.

      • BunnySkinning

        The one that you develop when you have a crushed glubock? 😛

      • Anna

        The dialect of the Albino Namekians. That’s why Nail doesn’t speak it!

    • Anna

      Are you really surprised that Guru decided to just change the language one day?

      • BunnySkinning

        Alright, I can get behind that, as long as there’s a Christmas Special detailing the events!
        Else it just seems like pure speculation 😛

  • Cascade Hellsing

    Personally, I’m… spit on having King and Jr separated or not.
    On one hand, yeah, they’re pretty different characters considering the entity of Z.
    On the other, you can say that Piccolo’s villainous side came from King.
    So if we’re talking about purely a character’s time as a villain, then I would keep them together. If it was character as a whole, then seperate.

  • Alpha Raptor

    On a side note, the heck’s up with the image of Piccolo (Jr.) standing outside the footage? He looks like he rolled off the wrong side of a bootleg!

    • Techno Gray

      Before the time skip to Z, Piccolo Jr. was drawn skinny and big eared like that.

  • Urdnot Wrex

    Sooo question. We have six characters left. The implicitly said that a certain MC, Widowspeak will be on this list somewhere. Frieza will be here and its almost certain King piccolo will be here. So that leaves Cell and Buu who have multiple forms all with different personalities.

    Ill admit if we are going by motivations all of Cells forms should be the same character. But Fat Buu, Super Buu and Kid Buu are all very different. Kid Buu is true Chaotic Evil, destruction for destruction’s sake but Fat Buu has the mentality and temperament of a child who doesn’t “really” know the consequences for his actions and of course Super Buu (after absorbing gotenks) is a Pink Perfect Cell. Curious to see where they draw the line especially when they already made Piccolo Jr. and King Piccolo two different characters.

    • Ajay Paulose

      For the number limits sake I think we should view Buu as a single villain. His various personalities are mainly caused by absorbing good guys so they’re like forced fusions between him and other characters.

      • Kaliaila

        I see Cell and Buus as being done as a single character in each case. Fat Buu is only a bad guy in his part of the Buu arc, and the other versions of Buu only exist within parts of that arc; and are not all that different from each other in their goals and methods. The aforementioned versions of Buu have somewhat different personalities but similar goals. Kid Buu is pretty much just an animalistic fighter without much personality. Similarly, Cell’s various versions while having a different voicing and appearance have the same personality and goals throughout.

      • Urdnot Wrex

        But they are in essence different people. Ill admit Super Buu and Fat Buu are still one entity but Fat Buu FIGHTS kid buu at one point they are not the same

    • Zack Osbourne

      Buu will likely be considered a group of villains like the Shadow Dragons.

  • Stache Hand

    Piccolo has many things as the successor to the Great Demon King. A diverse, devastating moveset, a hard-as-nails voice, the throat to swallow a bottle containing Earth’s Kami, a big brain, stretchy limbs before Luffy officially made it cool in anime, an honest-to-goodness ability to grow his limbs back (unlike Tenshinhan), the fatherly love Gohan deserves, and when he becomes two green people in one, he can win! He feels great! He. Can. Do. This! Still no penis, though.

  • Yuri Volten

    Piccollo was one of the few villians that actually achieved their objective. He killed Goku.

    • GreatWyrmGold

      Shame the show didn’t seem to recognize it. I mean, Piccolo was busy, but still…

      • Scott “KaiserNeko” Frerichs

        He kills Goku, but that meant little to him because it wasn’t a real victory.

      • Robert Halenda

        Moreso that’s what closed off that part of his character. He needed to restructure his life after his central ambition was accomplished in a way that didn’t satisfy him.

      • GreatWyrmGold

        I suppose. It still seems like it should have at least been mentioned, and I don’t remember that happening.

      • Adam Robert Sherman

        I take it that’s because rather than the two having a final climactic battle where they both got to go all out, Piccollo had to kill him to take out what was essentially a “giant space flea from nowhere”?

  • Kurt Reinkemeyer

    Yeah, the only mystery left was whether King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr would be one entry or two. Now that we know, the rest of the list pretty much fills itself in.

    • Mathew Gibbons

      It’s all a guess of whose order guess is right.

  • Jack Shomo

    It’s obvious who number one is, destroyer of worlds, bringer of death and destruction, last of his royal bloodline, the elite, PRINCE OF ALL SAIYANS, VEGETA

    • Kevon Gause

      i bet they’ll put him at number 2 just to mess with him

      • Ajay Paulose

        They said they’d get to him soon though. Makes me feel like he’s not in the top 3.

    • Hanamichi

      it’ll be Freeza tho

  • Fishy Despoiler

    That moment when you realize that General Rildo is the second best villain in DragonBall GT

    • v1rtuez

      Next to the Para Para Brothers.

    • Ajay Paulose

      Wait whose first. They already did Baby and the evil Dragons right?

      • Dknnmcx

        … Super 17?… Please not Super 17.

      • Lupu

        At least we are getting Super’s 17. Get it? No? Ok.

      • Ajay Paulose
      • Fishy Despoiler

        1.Baby
        2.Rildo

        Super 17 is just a sick imitation of Cell, he near the same a big-bad android that absorb other android to become stronger. Just differenent fighting style.
        Omega Shenron is a fat version of Super Buu, and evil entity that absorb others to become stronger and want destroy all. He even get his ass kicked by a fusion of Goku and Vegeta like the pink villain.

      • JustAHologram

        Well Baby was a rehash of Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans

      • Deecks

        He had the same motive and similar-ish backstory, but that’s about it. Also, Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans was a short OVA that not many people even heard of; there was a lot of room to improve on.

      • Karthull

        But didnt baby come first by many years so plan to eradicate was a rehash of babay

      • JustAHologram

        Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans came out in ’93, it was a two part OVA using the scenes from the game of the same name for the Bandai Playdia. Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans was the 2010 remake released with Raging Blast 2.

  • Hanamichi

    I am all for separating King Piccolo from Piccolo Jr, even if Piccolo Jr is kind of a reincarnation his personality ended up being different enough for them to feel separate enough entities to count on their own.

    Buu is a different case, not only are all his different forms a threat in one sole arc but the only one dinstinct enough to count on its own is Good Buu, and he isn’t much of a villain since he’s the one who expells the Evil Buu.

    Speaking of whom, my money is on Buu for the 6th place

    • Ajay Paulose

      I think he’ll be in the top 3. For the number limits sake I think we should view Buu as a single villain. His various personalities are mainly caused by absorbing good guys so they’re like forced fusions between him and other characters.

      • Hanamichi

        TFS hinted somewhere that they didnt think much of the Buu arc, so I think that’ll affect Buu’s chances to be even in the top 5

        And yeah you’re right, if we were to count all of Buu’s forms he’d spam the whole fricking list lol

      • Chaltab

        Well Buu is either in the top five or he’s tomorrow. This is number seven.

      • Kaliaila

        Personally, knowing TFS’s opinions about the villians from watching the TFS Gaming shows; I think that the top three will be Frieza, King Piccolo, and Cell; with Vegeta, Beerus, and Buu being in the remaining spots.

    • Deecks

      Part of it is that if you break up Buu into his transformations, they kind of all fall behind. Fat/Good Buu is by far the most interesting one – Super Buu is just Cell but blander, and Kid Buu is a mindless meathead who only posed a threat because by that point in the arc, everyone who could have handled him was exhausted or dead. I think if you broke him up, Fat Buu would probably be about on par with the Androids, while Super and Kid are barely above the movie villains.

  • Cephalo the Pod

    So, wait. Who’s left?

    Master Shen
    Tien
    King Piccolo
    Vegeta
    Frieza
    Cell
    Babidi
    Buu
    Beerus

    Who the heck’s not making it? Beerus was already mentioned in the Super entry as being on the list, and Vegeta’s all but confirmed.

    I haven’t watched much of OG Dragon Ball, so I don’t know exactly what impact he Crane School villains make in the show, but I’m willing to bet that they (and Babidi) are the three that get kicked out.

    Which baffles me. You’ll out movie villains above those guys?

    • Sailor Mewni

      Buu was confirmed in the Janemba one, so he’s here too. Freeza and Cell are obvious, Vegeta and Beerus have pretty much been confirmed, and since they said “I think Piccolo and King Piccolo should have been one entry” King Piccolo is the remaining one

    • Bob Roos

      I’m pretty sure Babidi isn’t making it. His background is non-existent, his personality isn’t really deeper than that of any movie villain despite having way more screentime, and he just doesn’t come off as threatening at all. He mainly displays incompetence with his failures to keep Vegeta and Majin Buu under control, his ill attempt at defeating Piccolo, and his gross underestimation of Saiyan powers, and isn’t even funny while doing so, unlike Pilaf.

      As for Shen, I’d say he’s never really the focal point of a story enough, he had Tien to do that for him, but it was never Shen himself that had to be faced directly.

    • Anna

      I’m going to guess

      Freeza
      Beerus (second only because of the hard on TFS has for the movie)
      Cell
      Vegeta (AS a villain)
      King Piccolo
      Buu

      It is weird that Tien didn’t make the list because, he’s basically got the same villain presence as Junior, ONE tournament (but hey, more than Raditz), and certainly he doesn’t belong high up but I do think he earns it over movie villains who are here because they LOOK scary.

      Babidi kind of makes sense. He’s never really presented as a threat. Really his magical powers were pretty shadeless macguffin powers to drag out the arc. And his death by majin buu was telegraphed harder than the titanic sinking so there was zero suspense beyond just waiting around for the little fucker to die. Though Dabura, I felt, was an interesting character of his own right. I’m kinda shocked HE didn’t make it either. Sure, he has little to influence on the series as a whole, but he was more complex than the average flunkie. Though his change after going to Heaven was priceless.

      • Techno Gray

        Tien and Beerus I feel were both antagonists (opposes the hero) but never actually villains (straight up evil)

      • Cephalo the Pod

        I’m pretty sure the Team is using the two terms interchangeably.

    • Ajay Paulose

      Beerus was in the seperate video for Super. There are no super villains on the actual list. Tien and Master Shen just aren’t that memorable as villains.
      Buu
      Cell
      Frieza
      Vegeta
      King Piccolo
      and General Rildo (for some reason)
      Are all definitely on the list. That leaves one spot a mystery. Possibly Master Shen will get it just from his origin with master Roshi and his manipulation of Tien.

      • Cephalo the Pod

        The Team established that Movie!Beerus is distinct from Super!Beerus. AND is indeed on the list.

    • Kevin Swinson

      Shen, Tien and Babidi aren’t taking the top 6, though Babidi MIGHT be included with Buu like how Hoi was included with Hirudegarn. Shen doesn’t make a great Villain and Tien’s only ever really antagonistic to Yamcha. His fight with Roshi sorta gets pushes his character past the Villainous stage and by the end of his fight with Goku he’s totally cool, so kinda hard to have him as a Villain. I could see him as an honorable mention though.

    • TheCrankyCow

      Tien & Chiaotzu are not so much villains as just rivals.
      Tien was a bit of a sadist when it came to hurting people(breaking Yamcha’s leg), but it’s not like he was trying to take over the world.

      Shen is the only one that becomes a true villain out to kill people, but as second fiddle to his brother cyborg Tao.

    • Kaliaila

      Beerus, like Frieza, will get an entry separate from the Super entry; because BoG’s movie is allowed; plus they said early on that Beerus would be appearing later.

  • Turkey Vulture

    Goku vs. Piccolo Jr. was undoubtedly the best fight that Dragon Ball had to offer, for all the reasons TFS listed in their video (save for the “gorgeous animation” part, since I only read the manga because the anime’s filler annoyed me too much). How fitting that the son of my favorite villain in the series gets to take part in my favorite fight.

  • Vyllckart

    Piccollo Jr. could’ve had a better arch. The tournament wasn’t bad, don’t get me wrong….but that’s the problem, it was just the tournament.

  • Michael Johnson

    Piccolo: a memorable battle makes him a memorable ally to Goku.

    I also agree to separate both Piccolos but will it be enough

  • Gojira007

    So first off, let me establish upfront I am ten thousand percent “King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr. are separate characters and deserve separate entries”; it’s true that Jr. is technically his father’s reincarnation, since he retains the connection to Kami, but in terms of personality and methodology, they are very much distinct. This DOES raise the question of what the frack you do with the various forms of Majin Buu, but that’s a bridge we can cross later.
    Anyway! I guess I got my answer about whether Piccolo The Second qualified for this list or not, and I confess, the fact that he does feels weird. I mean, technically speaking, it makes sense, especially since the Team is pretty explicitly concerned primarily with his time AS a complete villain during the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, but that in and of itself strikes me as weird. I should mention, Piccolo is probably my personal pick for the single best character in all of “Dragon Ball” (rivalled only by That Other Guy alluded to in this entry, but as they say, we’ll get to that discussion later), but a lot of that comes from the role he plays in the Saiyan arc onwards, and so it is difficult for me to assess him, for ANY reason, WITHOUT really taking that stuff into account. By much the same token, I don’t know that we’ve seen any other villain on the list thus far where the ENTIRETY of their character and development hasn’t really factored into their entry; it’s easier with Android #18, because we really only have the Cell arc and Buu arc to go on. But of the five arcs Piccolo is a major player in-the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, the Saiyan arc, the Namek arc, the Cell arc, and the Buu arc-he spends three as an outright Good Guy, one as, at worst, an anti-hero, and only one as a straight-up villain.
    All of which is really just me musing at length about the peculiarities of doing a Villains countdown in a series where some of its most significant Heroes AND Villains are, in fact, one and the same character. As for Piccolo himself, I’d say the Team has it covered: he’s a great antagonist with a lot of character and presence, and he gets some of the very best fights in the entire series. His design, whether the imposing-but-regal cape-and-turban version or the sleek, menacing ready-for-battle version, is great. His significance to “Dragon Ball” really can’t be questioned, and I’d even say he lucks out in terms of Voice Actors; whether it’s Toshio Furukuawa, Scott McNeil, or (latter-day) Christopher Sabat (or yes, Lanipator), Piccolo’s voice is one I’m always game to listen to.

  • Sailor Mewni

    I love how Piccolo Jr showed up on the list exactly 1 week after I finished marathoning the original Dragon Ball….which took me only 4 days to do!!!

    • Turkey Vulture

      153 episodes in 4 days? I wish I had that kind of free time.

  • Jack

    So, King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr are not counted as the same entity even though they are technically reincarnations of one another, and still constitute as Kami’s “second half”, yet Future 17 and Future 18 have to be counted as the same as regular 17 and 18, even though they are from an alternative timeline? Sounds like you’re splitting hairs a little there

    As for General Rlido, I hope he does get an honourable mention. Lacklustre as GT is, I love the battle between him and Goku as he is the first GT villain introduced who feels like a legitimate theart, with Goku even calling him stronger than Buu. He’s transformations are unique in that he can take on the form of different machine parts, but the best thing about him is his ability to become one with any metal, meaning Goku literally is fighting an ENTIRE PLANET, a concept almost as amazing as the Shadow Dragons and executed only half as poorly. The only disappointed with him, is how easily he is written off and killed

    • Mathew Gibbons

      To be fair most shared entries also share an arc/movie.

    • Anna

      Well, the interpretation TFS has of the Androids is that 17 and 18 are inherently bad, but 16, in our timeline, was a moderating influence on them. They view his absence as the main impetus for Future 17 and 18 being colossal assholes.

      So, from that perspective, keeping them one makes sense. Now, it’s easy to argue against that interpretation, but in context, it’s consistent.

      Personally I’m with Lani, Junior’s only a dickhead because his daddy wanted him to be that. Once he actually sees the planet and meets people, he’s pretty much a good guy without objection. And he’s like…four? Younger than that? King Piccolo’s influence on him is little different from Tien’s master jerking him around, and he didn’t even make the list.

      • Jack

        I don’t really know if you can argue that. 16 was pretty much indifferent to whatever 17 and 18 wanted to do, aside from killing Goku. For example, he never vouched for the Z fighters after they were beaten, saying they should leave them alive. 17 and 18 just decided not to kill them and even suggested that Krillin should save them with the sensu beans. They really just didn’t seem like they wanted to kill for sport whereas they’re Future selves do and I honestly don’t see 16 being a crucial factor in what keeps them from being bad people. All he wants to do get is find Goku. He doesn’t really care what else 17 and 18 do.

        Granted, maybe they decided to keep looking for Goku simply because of 16’s insistence and not bother with the others, but we also don’t know exactly why Future 16 was never awakened. If he was in the lab, then 17 and 18 were just as liable to wake him in the Future as they were in the present. Maybe it is a nature vs nurture thing, that by being left unopposed only further fuelled 17 and 18 already existing bad sides, but Trunks seem to imply they’re not really the same people, but I honestly don’t see how 16 is the deciding factor in that when he acts so passive throughout the whole thing

        Piccolo being a good guy at all seems like a oxymoron if you think about, since he’s meant to be the “evil” half of Kami. So, he’s good and evil then? That’s like only third evil then isn’t?

      • Kaliaila

        King Piccolo was the “evil” half of Kami. But I think when King Piccolo created Piccolo Jr. in a similar manner to his own creation, Piccolo did not receive an innate evil nature that his ‘father’ had, but instead was given a desire to defeat/kill Son Goku. Remember it is only after Goku’s death at the hands of Piccolo that we see that Piccolo becomes a good guy.

      • Kevin Swinson

        I see both of their arguments and can’t really disagree with either of them. Jr.’s role as a villian was a direct continuation of the King Piccolo arc and he was essentially picking up where his dad left off, but even prior to Z they’re very distinct from one another in regards to their actions and their priorities.

    • Scott “KaiserNeko” Frerichs

      King Piccolo and Piccolo Junior look different, act different, have different overall goals and arcs.

      Androids 17 and 18 from the Future are literally the exact same people, just with different development.

      And yeah, Rildo will get a mention.

  • Sailor Mewni

    WEN RILDO!!!!

  • Sailor Mewni

    Guess that leaves:
    6. King Piccolo
    5. Buu
    4. Cell
    3. Vegeta
    2. Beerus
    1. Freeza

    That is my guess anyway. My personal top 5 is a bit differant

    5. Pilaf
    4. King Piccolo
    3. Freeza
    2. Buu
    1. Beerus (if he counts)

    If Beerus does not count, add in Towa at #5 then and move the rest up.

    • Hanamichi

      I bet King Piccolo makes it above Buu

      • Kevin Swinson

        I’m almost certain KP is 4th.

    • ethos

      Whoa Beerus is too high here, considering he’s only been in the series for a very short time so far. In fact, the only thing they’re going off of for this list is the two movies. So I’d guess

      6. Beerus
      5. Buu
      4. King Piccolo
      3. Cell
      2. Vegeta
      1. Frieza? Freeza? FREEZAAAAA-

      • Sailor Mewni

        Yeah, but he has been very enjoyable, and brought back the series after over 20 years of dormancy

      • ethos

        that’s a good point, and kaiser especially has done nothing but gush about how great the character is. I wouldn’t be disappointed if he was that high

      • Techno Gray

        I love Beerus as a character. But I can’t rightly call him a villain. Nothing he does is really out of malice. Yes, he destroys worlds and kills people. However, being “God of Destruction” means ultimately he is the very necessary balance to the cosmic equation. At worst I’d call him an antagonist because his goals conflict with our hero’s goals.

      • Anna

        You have to remember last year’s DBCember BoG was rated the #1 movie ever. It wasn’t exactly secret he’d be in the single digits.

      • Kevin Swinson

        Eh, He’s an antagonist. And he’s a better character than Buu, so I’d wager they’d switch spots, but it could be either or.

    • Karami

      Beerus does not count because he’s in Super.

      • Sailor Mewni

        They did say in the Super video that the Battle of Gods version and Super version are differant enough to count as differant characters, meaning Beerus will be showing up here.

      • Karami

        I’ve just watched it aaaand you are right.

  • NewK00paUSA

    Ya know, Piccolo Jr. would never have been born if King Piccolo knew how to DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODGE!!!